Police respond to report of shooting at pro-Israeli protest in Newton

jkelly1229 said:
The guy looked to be at least mid 50s and severely over weight.

Getting thrown to the ground in that condition absolutely could be deadly.

What if the guy had a heart attack? Is it the assailants fault then?

Breaks a couple ribs and punctures a lung?

Full on tackling someone to the grounds who is fat and old is dangerous af for the fat and old person
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47 years old. Iraq war vet.
 
VigilantesLiberi said:
1. make sure the perp dies
2. make sure he's inside the house when that happens
3. make sure you were at most 22ft away when you shot him
4. "He was screaming he was going to rape us, he had an aggressive stance and I saw him pointing a gun at me"
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#4 should be “I won’t answer any questions, or make any statements, without my attorney being present.”
 
Logic dictates that gun owners must first offer a firearm to the assailant, then it's ok. Because now it's a duel. Only then does it become a danger of grave bodily injury.

Good lord. 😆
 
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eboos said:
The state will try to get him to go for a two year CWOF but then he is a violent felon and no gunz for him!
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CWOF is Continued WithOut a Finding. At the end of the term it's a dismissal, it is not a conviction and not a prohibiting factor under state or fed law. But they will deny as unsuitable. Move out of MA and it means nothing.
 
jkelly1229 said:
No but i do want him to not take their side.
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being a realistic about how shitty MA DAs might apply shitty laws is not per se "taking their side" etc.

the problem in this state is these DAs are protected by QI and all kinds of other bullshit for being shitbags. Everyone "takes the deal" etc and the DA is never punished for it.
 
drgrant said:
being a realistic about how shitty MA DAs might apply shitty laws is not per se "taking their side" etc.

the problem in this state is these DAs are protected by QI and all kinds of other bullshit for being shitbags. Everyone "takes the deal" etc and the DA is never punished for it.
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Yeah... that's fine if you want to say look the da is a shithead he's gonna jam you up

But @M1911 is actively saying i didn't see a life threatening series of events

This is why you carry non lethal etc etc

And no i disagree with that assessment

If the da jams him up for it.. well get mad at the da for being wrong don't mental pretzel yourself over a guy defending his life.
 
M1911 said:
You can’t use deadly force because you speculate that at some time in the future you might be in danger of death or grave bodily injury. You have to be in danger of death or grave bodily injury right now.
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M1911 said:
If you immediately go for deadly force when faced with an attack that hasn’t risen to danger of death or grave bodily injury, then you are likely to be in a world of legal hurt.
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Ponytail struck the veteran from behind, knocking him to the ground (rewatch the video stopping the image immediately after the impact - you're looking at the backs of both, with ponytail on top), driving him onto the concrete. That in and of itself constitues use of deadly force towards the shooter, as there are numerous incidents of individuals dying after being knocked to the ground by an assault and striking concrete. Had the veteran died from the fall, ponytail would have been liable for murder regardless of any actions beyond the initial impact. Following the intial impact, ponytail can be seen trying to choke him, also an application of deadly force.

Cases in point:
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NYC taxi driver dies after being ‘knocked down’ by passengers who refused to pay

Police offering $15,000 reward for suspects’ arrest
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krcgtv.com

82-year-old woman knocked to ground in robbery dies

An 82-year-old woman has died after being knocked to the ground during a robbery in suburban St. Louis, and the suspect is now facing murder charges.Arlene Mae Marschel was robbed at a service station gas pump in Crystal City on July 11. Police say 34-year
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SHOCKNAWE said:
Friggen weirdos, all of them.

How about just not giving a shit about what is going on over there?

I just don't understand it, people over here losing sleep over what's going on with either side is just bizarre to me.
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I agree. Our country is in shambles and people are out protesting for other countries.
Just retarded.
 
42! said:
CWOF is Continued WithOut a Finding. At the end of the term it's a dismissal, it is not a conviction and not a prohibiting factor under state or fed law. But they will deny as unsuitable. Move out of MA and it means nothing.
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I wouldn't say it means nothing. Clarke v. US (2016) was a FL District Court case that held that "withhold adjudication" after pleading guilty did not constitute a conviction. That would be analogues to MA's admission to sufficient facts and a continued without a finding. The Federal view is that one is admitting to the factual basis of the charges, but there seems to be limited caselaw one way or the other. US Immigrations routinely held that admissions to fact are convictions for immigration purposes, but of course it could be argued that this is apples and oranges when talking about citizen's constitutional rights.

18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(20)(b)"What constitutes a conviction of such a crime shall be determined in accordance with the law of the jurisdiction in which the proceedings were held." This would explicitly state that you are correct.
 
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M1911 said:
If you immediately go for deadly force when faced with an attack that hasn’t risen to danger of death or grave bodily injury, then you are likely to be in a world of legal hurt.
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So just how bad of an ass whoopin are you willing to risk before you'll defend yourself. I'd rather not chance one at all myself
 
VigilantesLiberi said:
It was 60k few hours ago. Now it's at $133,000! Power of Newton jews mby? idk...
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Maybe.......but if they want to wield some power, it needs to be by NOT VOTING COMMIES into local and state offices. Any individual can toss a few hundred bucks into a hat when it's passed.......but the real contribution to change the political environment is at the voting booth.
 
DJBrad said:
The story was just updated in the original post:


“Police arrested Hayes and charged him with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon and violation of a constitutional right causing injury, according to Ryan. He is expected to be arraigned in Newton District Court on Friday.“
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Was he interfering with the guy's right to beat the piss out of him?
I missed that one in school.
 
TheRoland said:
You guys are acting like if you convince M1911, the DA will back off.
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Fair.

Grendizer138 said:
Guys, unpopular opinion, but every able-bodied man should be able to handle a guy like that charging at them.
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True, but it looked like he had his back to the guy.

Screechy Karen in the background wasn’t helping with situational awareness.
 
barnabus said:
Community noted.
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barnabus said:
Community noted.

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“…..when a man crosses the street and confronts protestors…”

No, he ran across the street and full on speared the man into the pavement. That’s assault, brotha. Good shoot in my opinion. Don’t want to get shot? Don’t violently assault a person, especially one packing a fistful of steel.

Hope our boy Hayes is paid up on his CCA account.
 

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