Police respond to report of shooting at pro-Israeli protest in Newton

[Tartakovsky]

Obligatory f*** MA and double f*** you to Newton aka commie fagtown.

 

[MAGA99]

Guys, unpopular opinion, but every able-bodied man should be able to handle a guy like that charging at them.

True, but it seems the attackee may not have seen the charging commie scum.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

so I gotta ask….
My twitching finger demands it

How come he shot him just once ?

 

[MAGA99]

You do know what I do, right?

Underwater basket weaver extraordinaire!! Am I Right?!?!!

 

[M1911]

The guy looked to be at least mid 50s and severely over weight.

Getting thrown to the ground in that condition absolutely could be deadly.

What if the guy had a heart attack? Is it the assailants fault then?

Breaks a couple ribs and punctures a lung?

Full on tackling someone to the grounds who is fat and old is dangerous af for the fat and old person

I understand what you are saying but it’s my understanding that courts are unlikely to view that as danger of death or grave bodily injury. He might be able to get away with a disparity of force argument but it’s not a slam dunk.

 

[kalash]

Inquiring minds want to know: how does one judge the level of danger when one is tackled to the ground from behind? I can only speak for myself but I don't have eyes on my ass to be able to tell if the assailant is armed with a knife, blunt object, brass knuckles, gun, etc.

 

[nstassel]

Police just summonsed the alleged victim into court for assault and battery.

 

[M1911]

Yeah... that's fine if you want to say look the da is a shithead he's gonna jam you up

But @M1911 is actively saying i didn't see a life threatening series of events

This is why you carry non lethal etc etc

And no i disagree with that assessment

I don’t agree with Ayoob on everything but back when I took LFI-1 and 2 from him he said that in his experience courts rarely view an attack by an unarmed man against another man as rising to the level of deadly force.

There are exceptions, like disparity of force (very large vs small, young vs elderly, male vs female, 2+ vs 1). There are exceptions like the Travon Martin case — mounted and slamming his head against concrete.

But this attack? I’m sorry, I don’t see it as rising to the level of death or grave bodily injury.

I really do hope that the shooter is found not guilty, but I think it will be an uphill fight for him and the legal fight is likely to ruin his life.

 

[VigilantesLiberi]

Helping to keep the retard alive with medical help before the ambulance arrived should be a huge chip for Hayes

 

[pastera]

Guys, unpopular opinion, but every able-bodied man should be able to handle a guy like that charging at them.

You assume the vet is able bodied.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

It will be interesting to see what the criminal record of the attacker is. Thanks to Commonwealth v. Adjutant, that info should be admissable despite the shooter not knowing it at the time of the attack (although C v. A is untested in cases not involving homicide).

It was a miracle for the defense that there are videos of both the attack, and the post attack behavior of the defender. Imaging how the media would be spinning this absent the videos.

The defender should be moving his assets, re-titling his house, etc. Although there are legal avenues to unwind such transfers in anticipation of civil judgement, doing so it not easy.

But this attack? I’m sorry, I don’t see it as rising to the level of death or grave bodily injury.

You have a limited understanding of what trauma can do, and no knowledge if the attackee has any medical vulnerabilities. I am able bodied, but in my case, a gut punch could easily kill me.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Police just summonsed the alleged victim into court for assault and battery.

Maybe not surprising. Then offer a deal to drop the charges if he testifies against the real victim.

I really do hope that the shooter is found not guilty, but I think it will be an uphill fight for him and the legal fight is likely to ruin his life.

That's the intent of the persecution.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Free Scott Hayes!!!!!! and f*** that DA
EABOD

Assault and battery is not an arrestable offense if it does not occur in the presence of a police officer, according to the Middlesex District Attorney's Office



"The Newton man then ran across the street and tackled Hayes to the ground. An altercation followed during which Hayes allegedly shot the Newton man," according to Ryan's office.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Maybe not surprising. Then offer a deal to drop the charges if he testifies against the real victim.

That's the intent of the persecution.

The intent is to win any case they can to boost their win rate and career. This is why people who are obviously not guilty still end up taking a CWOF rather than having the case dismissed.

There is a line of rational "If we can get a jury to convict, that means we did the right thing".

Ruining the innocent person's life is what General LeMay would have called a "bonus kill".

The chances that someone with a clean enough record to have an LTC at age 47, and who will not doubt have surrendered all his guns, poses a danger to society is pretty close to zero - but he is still at risk of losing a "dangerousness hearing" cuz guns.

 

[FalArAk]

I'd just add it to one of the many reasons you should abandon MA.

A person who runs away from problems eventually runs out of places to hide, while the problems still persist.

Then what?

.............................................

As far as that video, that Vet is a pussy. Looks like he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag even with numbers on his side.

He should have defended himself with his fists, not that gun.

Guilty of manslaughter if the Pal dies.

 

[Tartakovsky]

A person who runs away from problems eventually runs out of places to hide, while the problems still persist.

Then what?

.............................................

As far as that video, that Vet is a pussy. Looks like he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag even with numbers on his side.

He should have defended himself with his fists, not that gun.

Guilty of manslaughter if the Pal dies.

Good point. Tough to argue you’re life was in danger from an unarmed soy boy

 

[DJBrad]

Police just summonsed the alleged victim into court for assault and battery.

If you mean the masked runner……Trust me he is not going to court anytime soon.

 

[GL2020]

A Jewlitia??

Please…it would be a catered banquet.
My limited experience after dating a girl from Sharon was they seem to enjoy eating, talking, and talking about food lol. Seriously great people but not who I choose to form a gang with.

 

[jkelly1229]

It will be interesting to see what the criminal record of the attacker is. Thanks to Commonwealth v. Adjutant, that info should be admissable despite the shooter not knowing it at the time of the attack (although C v. A is untested in cases not involving homicide).

It was a miracle for the defense that there are videos of both the attack, and the post attack behavior of the defender. Imaging how the media would be spinning this absent the videos.

The defender should be moving his assets, re-titling his house, etc. Although there are legal avenues to unwind such transfers in anticipation of civil judgement, doing so it not easy.


You have a limited understanding of what trauma can do, and no knowledge if the attackee has any medical vulnerabilities. I am able bodied, but in my case, a gut punch could easily kill me.

Right if anything this is more evidence to me make sure you kill them

 

[eboos]

Maybe not surprising. Then offer a deal to drop the charges if he testifies against the real victim.

That's the intent of the persecution.

No immunity deals in District Court. If anything, this would be a cross dismissal.

 

[freddieMA]

They can be if the words would objectively cause a reasonable person to believe that the utterer was about to use physical force against them.

though the video appears chopped, does anyone hear such an utterance?

i can't even be sure that the victim (the shooter) even said a word, all i heard was a female voice responding to the hamasnick

 

[jkelly1229]

A person who runs away from problems eventually runs out of places to hide, while the problems still persist.

Then what?

.............................................

As far as that video, that Vet is a pussy. Looks like he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag even with numbers on his side.

He should have defended himself with his fists, not that gun.

Guilty of manslaughter if the Pal dies.

Dude that guy looked like he would run a 40 in days not seconds... sure the dude attacking him looked like a bitch... but he was in shape which is 85% of a fight

 

[joseb]

The shooter was not captured on video. Entirely possible the attacker shot himself in the scuffle.

 

[freddieMA]

No but i do want him to not take their side.

you gotta hear all sides

 

[jkelly1229]

you gotta hear all sides

Lol sure in instances where its not cut and dry

That's self defense... no need for an argument to be gentle for a guy who ran across the street and tackled a guy for being pro jew

 

[FalArAk]

Dude that guy looked like he would run a 40 in days not seconds... sure the dude attacking him looked like a bitch... but he was in shape which is 85% of a fight

The Vet showed up to a heated protest, knowing damn well things could get spicy real quick.

He chose to be there, he also chose to carry a gun to a protest.

I do my best to avoid situations where the need to carry is not an option, but somewhat mandatory.

Pal is guilty of assault, Vet is guilty of ADW if the Pal lives.

Bottom line is if you can't protect yourself without a gun, it might be a good idea to NOT put yourself in that situation.

 

[ThePreBanMan]

I'm not convicting the guy if I'm on that jury... You charge and attack someone like that you get what you got coming...

BTW, what did the actual assailant get charged with?

 

[ThePreBanMan]

A person who runs away from problems eventually runs out of places to hide, while the problems still persist.

Then what?

.............................................

As far as that video, that Vet is a pussy. Looks like he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag even with numbers on his side.

He should have defended himself with his fists, not that gun.

Guilty of manslaughter if the Pal dies.

While I agree in principal, sometimes strategic retreat is better than getting killed on the field...

 

[pastera]

though the video appears chopped, does anyone hear such an utterance?

i can't even be sure that the victim (the shooter) even said a word, all i heard was a female voice responding to the hamasnick

I was not making the point that "fighting words" were exchanged here.
Quite the opposite - the distance the attacker had to cover makes that defense unlikely

 

[jkelly1229]

The Vet showed up to a heated protest, knowing damn well things could get spicy real quick.

He chose to be there, he also chose to carry a gun to a protest.

I do my best to avoid situations where the need to carry is not an option, but somewhat mandatory.

Pal is guilty of assault, Vet is guilty of ADW if the Pal lives.

Bottom line is if you can't protect yourself without a gun, it might be a good idea to NOT put yourself in that situation.

OK that's not his life matrix

So if there's a possibility of bad things happening we shouldn't do it?

Do you understand what you just said? He's not capable of fighting so he should sit this out? You realize the morally right side hardly ever comes out? We should be throwing this dude a parade for going to a protest and smoking some pro hamas f*ggot

If he feels passionately about it he has the right to peacably assemble. You may not want to go to protests... but I have seen you bitch on here about the state of things.. he wants to go change it.. he has every right to do what he did...it offended some guy who ran across traffic to start a fight with him. And because he was caught off guard by that and ended up in a bad spot shot the agressor. And you're calling the shooter out?

Cmon son be better