Police respond to report of shooting at pro-Israeli protest in Newton

[Toast]

assault and battery

Not yet. The DA says that may take place at a later date.

 

[Toast]

I'm shocked!

I guess he will just keep all that gofundme money.

He's out on bail on the A&B charge, home confinement with GPS monitoring, allowed out for doctor visits and work.

 

[chris_1001]

We really need to remind people that attacking people comes with consequences. AND that we have the right to defend ourselves against those that attack us without provocation

Going to repeat the FAFO mantra

 

[chris_1001]

Going to add. If you are a criminal, there are consequences to your actions. Your job (cough) has risks.

 

[headednorth]

Woah it's like he was innocent or something....

It doesnt sound odd for a MA court to drop a charge in a case like this the very next day? Did the DA have an intern filing charges yesterday?

 

[cKy04]

Shooter provoked the attack and came there armed for a fight.

He did not avoid the situation when approached by the man running toward him.

Avoidance is another element of self defense.

Armed to defend himself which is why you carry. How do you know he provoked it? All we have so far is that clip but I don’t think he was even saying anything.

The boy came running across the street. Clearly younger and In better shape. He was not going to outrun him even if he reacted quicker than he did.

 

[JD09]

Facing angle right before the shot.



Ponytail did not have him in a headlock and it looks like Hayes could have been windmilling elbows to his face all day long.

I know FAFO and all that and for the most part I am a believer in it, but I hate to think that society has gotten to a point that if a person get into a scrum on the ground with another that it is an immediate authorized green light for weapons free.

 

[DJBrad]

No doubt that the Palestinian guy was being completely honest with the police ... before the videos had emerged.

Only if he was talking before he was placed into the ambulance.

 

[MaroonedinMA]

I'm shocked!

I guess he will just keep all that gofundme money.

What a scam!!!

He'll need it for the civil suit against him by the Pal.

You got a head injury? I'm trying figure it out and I'm stumped.

 

[chris_1001]

Facing angle right before the shot.

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Ponytail did not have him in a headlock and it looks like Hayes could have been windmilling elbows to his face all day long.

I know FAFO and all that and for the most part I am a believer in it, but I hate to think that society has gotten to a point that if a person get into a scrum on the ground with another that it is an immediate authorized green light for weapons free.

Ok. So let’s let everyone randomly attack people. Sure, that’s acceptable

No. f*** you

 

[JD09]

Ok. So let’s let everyone randomly attack people. Sure, that’s acceptable

No. f*** you

A little hyperbolic and extreme...but you're a big boy and have free will to choose your own course of action.

 

[42!]

I wouldn't say it means nothing. Clarke v. US (2016) was a FL District Court case that held that "withhold adjudication" after pleading guilty did not constitute a conviction. That would be analogues to MA's admission to sufficient facts and a continued without a finding. The Federal view is that one is admitting to the factual basis of the charges, but there seems to be limited caselaw one way or the other. US Immigrations routinely held that admissions to fact are convictions for immigration purposes, but of course it could be argued that this is apples and oranges when talking about citizen's constitutional rights.

18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(20)(b)"What constitutes a conviction of such a crime shall be determined in accordance with the law of the jurisdiction in which the proceedings were held." This would explicitly state that you are correct.

NH and Utah don’t care

 

[chris_1001]

A little hyperbolic and extreme...but you're a big boy and have free will to choose your own course of action.

Sure. All good. Let’s just let people attack others.

Why should we expect to defend ourselves?

Call the cops if you are getting attacked. Self help is frowned upon

 

[Darksideblues42]

And this kids is what happens when you play too much pocket pool

Sorry i had to

Nah, more like being an almost 10 pound baby from a Mom who was 95 pounds soaking wet.

Shoulder dystocia - broke my collar bone and humerus when I was born, never healed right and just chews itself apart.

 

[JD09]

Sure. All good. Let’s just let people attack others.

Why should we expect to defend ourselves?

Call the cops if you are getting attacked. Self help is frowned upon

Didn't say that and not what I thought at all. But when I look at that pic I'm wondering why the guy with that arm free was not elbowing ponytail's face in to the point the work needed will put his dentist into a higher tax bracket vs I'm gonna use it to push him off me to take the shot.

 

[42!]

The Vet showed up to a heated protest, knowing damn well things could get spicy real quick.

He chose to be there, he also chose to carry a gun to a protest.

I do my best to avoid situations where the need to carry is not an option, but somewhat mandatory.

Pal is guilty of assault, Vet is guilty of ADW if the Pal lives.

Bottom line is if you can't protect yourself without a gun, it might be a good idea to NOT put yourself in that situation.

Seriously? We’re talking Newton

 

[Admin]

Facing angle right before the shot.



Ponytail did not have him in a headlock and it looks like Hayes could have been windmilling elbows to his face all day long.

I know FAFO and all that and for the most part I am a believer in it, but I hate to think that society has gotten to a point that if a person get into a scrum on the ground with another that it is an immediate authorized green light for weapons free.

Are you kidding me? Dont want to get shot? Don't run across the street and attack me. One elbow or head strike to cement and it's done.

"for the most part"

If you're so f***ing mentally unstable that people waving an Israeli flag triggers you to attack old men, well you have all the lead coming that you deserve.

 

[DJBrad]

Intubated in ICU, liver damage, hepatic flexure of large bowel resected, cholecystectomy, small bowel resection, and sepsis. Just some word salad

 

[42!]

I thought the unsuitability was dead in MA? (Bruen?) Regardless, a CWOF was not a death sentence even before that.

It is in Framingham

And suitability is alive and well

 

[Garys]

47 is old? I'm triggered!

If you're so f***ing mentally unstable that people waving an Israeli flag triggers you to attack old men, well you have all the lead coming that you deserve.

 

[Garys]

Clearly he didn't go to Newton Wellesley.

Intubated in ICU, liver damage, hepatic flexure of large bowel resected, cholecystectomy, small bowel resection, and sepsis. Just some word salad

 

[MAGA99]

Nah, more like being an almost 10 pound baby from a Mom who was 95 pounds soaking wet.

Shoulder dystocia - broke my collar bone and humerus when I was born, never healed right and just chews itself apart.

That sounds painful! And nowhere near as funny as Jkelly’s reply!

 

[MAGA99]

Intubated in ICU, liver damage, hepatic flexure of large bowel resected, cholecystectomy, small bowel resection, and sepsis. Just some word salad

50 bux says the state pays his medical bills….so taxpayers.

 

[chris_1001]

Didn't say that and not what I thought at all. But when I look at that pic I'm wondering why the guy with that arm free was not elbowing ponytail's face in to the point the work needed will put his dentist into a higher tax bracket vs I'm gonna use it to push him off me to take the shot.

Not everyone is a stud that can defend themselves on the ground

We all want to be that guy. But not all of us are.

 

[JD09]

Are you kidding me? Dont want to get shot? Don't run across the street and attack me. One elbow or head strike to cement and it's done.

"for the most part"

If you're so f***ing mentally unstable that people waving an Israeli flag triggers you to attack old men, well you have all the lead coming that you deserve.

There are different levels of finding out...some are a "stomped like a narc at a biker rally" level...others are "shot to the face" level. I say for the most part because some cheer the nuclear option at any f*** off infraction.

So if you are in the street and someone pushes you and you fall backwards to the ground, you consider yourself authorized to shoot the guy because you could have hit your head on a curb?


Amending to clarify and add context...I am not talking about a Reginald Denny scenario where you are alone in a sea of hostiles...but like here...you and your homies out protesting and some chucklef**k rushes you.

 

[1sern]

In the Trayvon Martin assault, Martin had allegedly mounted Zimmerman and bashed the back of his head into the concrete sidewalk several times. Zimmerman had cuts and bruising on the back of his head consistent with his statement.

I watched this video and I certainly didn’t see ponytail mount the defender and bash his head into the sidewalk. I saw the two of them wrestling and rolling around, mostly on their sides, with neither having a significant advantage. The video isn’t great so maybe I just missed it, but it doesn’t appear to me that this attack is similar to the account of the Trayvon Martin incident.

AD while wrestling for gun, case dismissed (in any real court)

 

[MAGA99]

What kinda gun?? Nobody knows yet?!

And was the single shot intentional or did it not cycle properly?

 

[jkelly1229]

Armed to defend himself which is why you carry. How do you know he provoked it? All we have so far is that clip but I don’t think he was even saying anything.

The boy came running across the street. Clearly younger and In better shape. He was not going to outrun him even if he reacted quicker than he did.

He was asking for it by wearing that short skirt

 

[jkelly1229]

Not everyone is a stud that can defend themselves on the ground

We all want to be that guy. But not all of us are.

i get your point.... but did you watch the video... stud is very strong I'm reasonably sure my 6 pound 15 year old cat would have been at -130 odds to beat that dude in a fight

 

[42!]

So if you are in the street and someone pushes you and you fall backwards to the ground, you consider yourself authorized to shoot the guy because you could have hit your head on a curb?

No, because it's not about what COULD HAVE happened, it's about what MIGHT happen, and when you know this.

A guy is walking toward you on the sidewalk, he might push you to the ground, but you still can't shoot him because there is no compelling reason to assume he's coming after you.

But a notably angry person, suddenly charges across the street directly at you, you can reasonably assume he intends to harm you. At that point its about what he could reasonably do to you, and yes knocking you over and killing you is a possibility, and what you can reasonably do. But there is no requirement for a "fair" fight, as the defender you get to win.