Police respond to report of shooting at pro-Israeli protest in Newton

[VigilantesLiberi]

Is the shooter on this forum?

 

[mordeeb]

Is the shooter on this forum?

If they are now is not the time to post.

 

[jkelly1229]

He traveled to that city, better to research before commenting

It's like 30 minutes away...its like going from Brockton to easton and his dad lived there.

Nice try though

 

[Buck F]

Are we watching the same video?

I have been wondering which video you have been watching…

 

[Buck F]

Is the shooter on this forum?

There’s a decent chance that he is.

In the event that someone knows the shooter or there’s ever an incident involving a known member of the forum, I sincerely hope that everyone keeps their mouth shut about it. On top of all the other BS involved in a legit self defense scenario in MA, one would hope that things posted on this forum wouldn’t bite someone in the ass.

Also why you never ever go on in any Internet forum about how you’re gonna shoot someone in any given scenario, regardless how justified.

 

[Woodsloafer]

Internet never forgets indeed. People still need to learn that.

And if you need to use a gun in defense of yourself and/or others, it will be used against you if any charges are filed against you, and that post(s) threatening to hurt someone may also be the reason for charges versus no charges.

 

[pewpewpew]

Emotional response, but I'll play along for the sake of a discussion..

What has protesting done for your rights? And for reference, what was the last protest you attended and what did it accomplish?

Okay so let's just allow Leftists, Jihadis, Anti-2A lunatics, BLM, Antifa, etc. just roll over us without putting up a fight. Let's just accept H.4885. Taking that mentality to the extreme shows what a lame defeatist attitude it really is.

We fight back in the limited ways available to us because some things actually do matter in life and not everything is someone else's problem.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I'm very concerned about this particular geopolitical issue. But I'm also aware that it is a very emotional issue and, in my opinion, it isn't surprising that violence occured, even at a small rally. I'm not going to be there. My attending such a rally won't change anyone's mind and it exposes me to unnecessary risk.

QFTMFT

 

[Woodsloafer]

Not sure if posted I assume this was the gun, View attachment 918113

That's not going to age well.

 

[M1911]

Not sure if posted I assume this was the gun, View attachment 918113

That sort of post would not be helpful in court.

 

[Garys]

Only if you are on the Mansfield side of Easton and are going to downtown Brockton. I was going to say close to 45 minutes if you're driving out Route 9, probably less if you take the 'pike.

It's like 30 minutes away...its like going from Brockton to easton and his dad lived there.

Nice try though

 

[mordeeb]

That sort of post would not be helpful in court.

Nope, not at all. May be able to go with a "they were grabbing for my gun and it went off as I was trying to toss it away" defense.

 

[drgrant]

That social media post is not going to help.

Ouch. That means he gonna get viewed like....

 

[Garys]

If that's a Sig 320 he can claim it went off by itself as he was trying to put it in his holster.

Nope, not at all. May be able to go with a "they were grabbing for my gun and it went off as I was trying to toss it away" defense.

 

[dcac01]

That social media post is not going to help.

I think that's a draw with Caleb's posts - punching people in the throat isn't good either.

What's sad to me is said "No, I don't condemn Hamas, I condemn my family". May explain his father's comments to the Globe.

 

[Mark from ?]

That sort of post would not be helpful in court.

Oof. Not at all. Even in a free state. In MA. Ouch….Near Boston..double ouch.

That said he was viciously attacked nothing changes that fact. In a free state he would walk
After the dust cleared.

 

[Masswhole]

That's not going to age well.

Shame it wasn’t a 320, could’ve blamed the gun.

 

[fencer]

We have a duty to retreat law in MA?

Does the MA castle doctrine cover our cars?

But seriously, my instructor talked about this in the class, and he said it was a gray area. I probably just wasn't listening, but I thought he said the castle doctrine does cover our vehicles.

Yeah... why would you want to pay attention to the instructor when he was going over stupid lawz?

 

[pastera]

Emotional response, but I'll play along for the sake of a discussion..

What has protesting done for your rights? And for reference, what was the last protest you attended and what did it accomplish?

Not an emotional response - An observation.
Use it or lose it - if you refuse to exercise a right because of a threat of political violence, do you really have that right?

I petition my government for many reasons and in many ways.
I will not judge how other people express their political or personal opinions through peaceful means in public.

But to say public protest has no power, I'd say you should look at civil rights protests, gay rights protests and many others that brought many issues into the public discourse.

 

[42!]

Yeah... why would you want to pay attention to the instructor when he was going over stupid lawz?

met a MA instructor once, not an NES member, who carried a Glock without a round in the chamber. Said it was the only way to safely carry. So the quality can vary, A LOT.

 

[drgrant]

Not an emotional response - An observation.
Use it or lose it - if you refuse to exercise a right because of a threat of political violence, do you really have that right?

I petition my government for many reasons and in many ways.
I will not judge how other people express their political or personal opinions through peaceful means in public.

But to say public protest has no power, I'd say you should look at civil rights protests, gay rights protests and many others that brought many issues into the public discourse.

Civil rights era? Sure. The visibility was high of those protests. Gays? I don't think shit like pride parades and marches had much to do with them winning stuff like gay marriage. I think that more had something to do with the fact that it has become more normalized in the more recent decades versus 30 40 years ago. Randos woke up one morning and didn't view most random gay couples as of some kind of a threat.

I think in recent history this is actually sliding backwards somewhat because of the fact that there's quite obviously a subclan of militant, leftist, pedophilic gays that are trying to drag children into their stuff.

Also as a another example do you think any random person who otherwise has no skin in the game really gives a flying f*** about "Palestine" ? No. Joe average just thinks these are people who hate all da jooz and block traffic. Instead of empathizing with whatever their issue is everybody just thinks they're f***ing a**h***s.

Protests don't always result in positive outcomes for the aggreived. See also garbage like BLM

 

[pastera]

Because the guy wasn't on top and wasn't reaching for his head. At least not what I saw. What I saw is that they were mostly side by side on the ground. The vet wasn't mounted and the perp wasn't banging the vet's head against the sidewalk. The video wasn't great so maybe I'm just missing something.

I only have access to video on a phone
But from the pictures, yes the guy was on top, he didn't have his back with hooks in but he was in a dominant position.
And the stills show him attempting to gain the guys neck.

You do not need to wait until deadly force is actually used, you only need objectively reasonable belief that use is imminent.
And from the video it appears that he had objective reasonable belief because the guy could have gained back control since the shooter didn't have knowledge that others would intervene on his behalf.

 

[pastera]

met a MA instructor once, not an NES member, who carried a Glock without a round in the chamber. Said it was the only way to safely carry. So the quality can vary, A LOT.

Safe for your attackers

 

[pastera]

Civil rights era? Sure. The visibility was high of those protests. Gays? I don't think shit like pride parades and marches had much to do with them winning stuff like gay marriage. I think that more had something to do with the fact that it has become more normalized in the more recent decades versus 30 40 years ago. Randos woke up one morning and didn't view most random gay couples as of some kind of a threat.

I think in recent history this is actually sliding backwards somewhat because of the fact that there's quite obviously a subclan of militant, leftist, pedophilic gays that are trying to drag children into their stuff.

Also as a another example do you think any random person who otherwise has no skin in the game really gives a flying f*** about "Palestine" ? No. Joe average just thinks these are people who hate all da jooz and block traffic. Instead of empathizing with whatever there issue is everybody just thinks they're f***ing a**h***s.

Protests don't always result in positive outcomes for the aggreived. See also garbage like BLM

Yes, I meant civil rights era stuff and 80's era gay rights.
Today's protests are mainly about Marxist promotion or public sexual debauchery.

 

[pastera]

Any legal experts here who can tell us the odds of the video being declared inadmissible by a judge? Wouldnt surprise me tbh

I believe it would all but guarantee an appeal if a judge disallows the video.
There doesn't seem to be any dispute to it's authenticity and it shows what occurred relativity well

 

[pastera]

I dont personally agree.

On what part?
That grave bodily injury is part of the standard or that it was objectively at risk?

Definition: grievous bodily harm from 10 USC § 920(g)(4) | LII / Legal Information Institute

Please explain how a tackle at speed from behind is not cable of at least some of the types of injuries listed?
Remember you don't have to actually receive the injuries, the standard is that the injuries could reasonably be expected from the force.

 

[Dadstoys]

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit I take it.

It's just fine , it wasn't me calling the guy a pussy because he wasn't Bruce Lee reincarnated.

 

[Spartan65]

At least they dropped the violation of constitutional rights charge. What a load of bullshit. He is the one who’s rights were violated.


Too bad this happened in MA. More reasons to hate the left and anyone who votes that way.

 

[Dench]

Remember you don't have to actually receive the injuries, the standard is that the injuries could reasonably be expected from the force.

TIhe standard is that low?

Essentially any hands on outside chest bumping would satisfy that. Not only that, the definition you posted contradicts itself immediately. A black eye is not worse enough. Well how the hell do you get the majority of black eyed in fights? Strikes to the face. Which would satisfy thier definition.

I know you guys dont like it. But the reality is they were talking some big shit to a person who was clearly insane. It was mutual combat. Dont want to get into a fight? Dont run your mouth. A concept as old as time.

 

[Hogie1]

While possibly true the core truth of people fighting each other out in the wild is usually everyone involved has no actual fighting skills.

But thats today's ozempic society. Why put the work in when theres a short cut?

True. But for example you have a guy who has had training, yet has a legitimate shoulder injury, yet hasn't gone for surgery. That's what I was getting at.