Dench
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All i cam do is work with what i got in that video. Which isn't much. Presumably a lot was going on prior to the start of that video.
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Police respond to report of shooting at pro-Israeli protest in Newton
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Dench
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As another user pointed out, essentially any physical confrontation should result in a self defense shooting using the logic here.
Thats a road to hell.
It's possible, but I would not presume, hopefully those facts will come out. I was referring more in generalities, not those 2 specific individuals. My apologies if I got my wires crossed, trying to read thru this thread between calls.
deerdad
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Well I see that the school shooting is getting pushed aside because the kid had problems but this will be pushed forward because a licensed carrier defended himself.
Well shootings would go way up for a little while then way down.
The debate is about a scenario which has already occurred and whether that was self-defense.
You've been trying to conjur a mutual combat scenario limited to, 'don't talk shit'.
There's shit talking here minute by minute. Combat!
That you equate words to physical combat makes me think you may have been hit in the head a few too many times.
More likely it's a means of dealing with your own tendency to react physically to words. It's far easier to say words allow violence than to see fault in your reaction to words with violence.
Dench
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Shit talking isnt risk free
points for self awarenessProbably![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
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Show of hands, you’re in this guy’s shoes and hysterical ponytail guy charges your crowd and knocks you over. Would you unholster and shoot him or not?
No. But based on what I've seen in that video I believe I'd be able to handle myself to avoid serious injury ... and if I had seen him coming. Also, doesn't negate the concept of self-defense.
From behind, in a disadvantageous position, don't know. Take a fist to the temple or if there is an incoming choke hold, time and space is somewhat limited to avoid the danger of serious injury.
How about, if you see a raving idiot coming at you with rage, do you upholster and present. Or is that a no go?
Coincidently. I've been involved in a choking scenario. Some aspects are surprisingly similar. No one died. Someone did leave with a broken nose and maybe hyperextension, though.
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People should look at it like this.
Any physical confrontation could result in a self defense shooting. That would make for a much more polite society.
The vet who got jumped has no idea what the capabilities are of the person who’s all over him. If he’s lucky/fortunate/prepared enough to be able to handle the threat without deadly force that is great. However, not everyone have those capabilities.
We're into feelings territory now. And, no word yet on the actual 'shit talking'.
For me to accurately answer that, first I'd have to say my answer is based on what I saw of what happened, and then add that my personal heath issues mean running is never an option, and getting into a physical confrontation far more dangerous. Yes I would have fired.
I’m not sure I heard him doing any shit talking, but in any case, neither is physically attacking somebody.
This is pure clown world stuff. Where the expression “sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me” has been replaced with “it’s okay to use sticks and stones to break bones because words hurt my feelings”.
The idea that any confrontation could rise to my having to shoot someone has an affect on my demeanor, I am less confrontational when I'm carrying than when I'm not. If I ever end up involved in a shooting it won't be because I escalated the situation.
kevin9
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Based on the videos I've seen I don't buy the "mutual combat" argument. First, while there were words exchanged with Hamas supporter, but it's NOT clear from videos I've seen what the was actually said, and whether the person he attacked was the one actually saying much, if anything. And, exchanging words does NOT automatically consent to, let alone instigation of, "mutual combat". One might logically assume the one attacked said something, but given the mental state and actions of many progressives and Hamas supporters I will NOT make the assumption the person attacked said anything instigating or consenting to mutual combat without clear, compelling evidence.
Finally, the Hamas supporter was the one who came across street and escalated to physical conflict. Finally, it's also hard to tell from the video the degree to which the person he attacked did, or was even able to, retreat.
Finally, the Hamas supporter was the one who came across street and escalated to physical conflict. Finally, it's also hard to tell from the video the degree to which the person he attacked did, or was even able to, retreat.
Dench
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Absolutely zero to do with this.
Out of everything that’s what is worth replying too?
Just using it to differentiate between the two.
richc
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We had a family party yesterday, and a police sergeant fromTexas joined us.
We showed him the video of this incident and he said no doubt a case of self defense.
When we told him that the Army veteran was arrested and charged, well, he was stunned. Couldn't believe it.
Welcome to our world...
We showed him the video of this incident and he said no doubt a case of self defense.
When we told him that the Army veteran was arrested and charged, well, he was stunned. Couldn't believe it.
Welcome to our world...
It's the ignore everything that doesn't fit my narrative plan.
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Dench
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What more can i say? You guys dont agree with me and i dont agree with the majority of people here.
What about what I said in that post do you not agree with?
Dench
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Pretty much the entire post
Texas though. More rational than MA (insert Uzi2 here).
the way TX goes now, in 10 years time it will be same there as it is here now.
pastera
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A basic fist is not considered deadly force since the vast majority of punches don't result in serious harm.
A shod foot on the other hand has a high likelihood of causing more serious damage.
If Mike Tyson in his prime were to credibly threaten you with a full strength punch to the face and started running across the road - would you have an objectively reasonable belief that you were in immediate danger of a life changing injury?
Yes - therefore in that exact situation you would by justified in using deadly force to stop that attack.
Many deadly force applications are obvious - firearms, knives, baseball bats, etc
Some are less obvious - much younger or stronger attacker, training or even a pillow or pool.
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