Police respond to report of shooting at pro-Israeli protest in Newton

[MGnoob]

The guy got shot through the f***ing Gucci. The other day was f***ing hilarious. I think I’d rather take it under the armpit.


View: https://youtu.be/FMJv4zmgkHQ?si=OL9H4BDCtispOBud

 

[pastera]

If that guy was a cop half this place would be loosing its mind. The dogma here really blinds you guys.

Nope - if soy boy bitch had charged a cop from behind I'd have the exact same opinion but would laugh harder at the fact that he will now have another hole for his boyfriends to fill.

 

[pastera]

Werent both parties screaming at each other across the street with directed personal attacks?

Fighting words is a real thing. Talk shit to a loon and what do you expect?

Just because an attack may be expected that doesn't justify that attack

And fighting words are not insults and political differences - they are utterances that are meant to goad the other person into attacking with the purpose of creating the appearance of innocence for the speaker.

The N-word has become a fighting word when used by a non-black against a black but most insults simply don't rise to that level.

 

[pastera]

Watch the video?

Neither had a duty to retreat. Both parties were activly escalating. They got exactlt what they were looking for.

The shooter had his back to the attacker - he was actively retreating from the altercation.
Once on the ground, he was in an ongoing attack that had already risen to deadly force (a surprise full speed tackle from the rear is objectively likely to cause serious injury to a 47 year old overweight man.)

 

[MGnoob]

The shooter had his back to the attacker - he was actively retreating from the altercation.
Once on the ground, he was in an ongoing attack that had already risen to deadly force (a surprise full speed tackle from the rear is objectively likely to cause serious injury to a 47 year old overweight man.)

It doesn’t really matter he survived it so he gets to live with a consequences

 

[MGnoob]

We could all make jokes and second-guess it. But he’s a survivor. Most people have never been in that situation.

 

[not new guy]

Who’s a survivor? The guy that got rushed by the soy boy?

 

[MGnoob]

Who’s a survivor? The guy that got rushed by the soy boy?

I guess you never cleared a room and made a mistake sometimes shit happens

 

[Grendizer138]

What about what I said in that post do you not agree with?

Not specifically disagreeing with you but I’m in agreement more with Dench in general here. There’s a difference between rights and their practical application. You have a right to preserve your life, but you do not have a “right” to not be attacked. Act and live accordingly.

 

[Dench]

Mispost

 

[ccm75]

Howie wasted no time:

Howie Carr: Charging Massachusetts veteran for defending himself is typical for hack DA

Scott Hayes, an Iraq War veteran, was knocked to the concrete sidewalk in Newtonville after an unhinged hippie ran across traffic to physically assault someone who was peacefully opposing Nazi geno…

www.bostonherald.com

 

[Dench]

Who’s a survivor? The guy that got rushed by the soy boy

pastera is clearly more qualified to break down the risks of grappling than i am

This threads into satire at this point

 

[DJBrad]

Ya’ll can meet me at the Eagle Brook Saloon tomorrow night in the upper room for some proper neck stomping.

 

[Dench]

Ya’ll can meet me at the Eagle Brook Saloon tomorrow night in the upper room for some proper neck stomping.

Looking to get shot?

 

[vicorjh]

Ya’ll can meet me at the Eagle Brook Saloon tomorrow night in the upper room for some proper neck stomping.

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

... not until the mutual combat waivers have been signed. Shit talking would also be sufficient, as an alternative.

 

[Junior314]

Not specifically disagreeing with you but I’m in agreement more with Dench in general here. There’s a difference between rights and their practical application. You have a right to preserve your life, but you do not have a “right” to not be attacked. Act and live accordingly.

Not saying you do have a right not to be attacked. And I agree people should act accordingly. I think people should be able to handle themselves if things go South.

I also think that if someone wants to run across traffic to attack someone and try and bring them to the ground to pummel them and they get shot… ohh well.

 

[Grendizer138]

Not saying you do have a right not to be attacked. And I agree people should act accordingly. I think people should be able to handle themselves if things go South.

I also think that if someone wants to run across traffic to attack someone and try and bring them to the ground to pummel them and they get shot… ohh well.

Sure. And if you’re on his jury great. If not…

 

[DJBrad]

Looking to get shot?

With this crew? I expect a full order of swiss cheese.

 

[Dench]

With this crew? I expect a full order of swiss cheese.

Im wondering where they draw the line? Overly firm hand shake?

 

[Kevin_NH]

Not specifically disagreeing with you but I’m in agreement more with Dench in general here. There’s a difference between rights and their practical application. You have a right to preserve your life, but you do not have a “right” to not be attacked. Act and live accordingly.

That's a weird way to phrase things -- nobody has a right to throw the first punch. Provocation is not a valid legal defense against charges of battery.

And that’s why my duty pistol is a fake. The real one you’ll never see coming.

Until 2015, Chicago had a policy that while officers could carry a semi-automatic as a backup, they had to have their .38 cal duty revolver in a belt holster with less-than-idea Boston Leatherworks single thumbstrap retention. I'd often see cops assigned to the projects stroll in with a .38 on their belt and a 1911 in a drop-leg holster just below that.

I knew several uniformed officers who obeyed the letter of the policy by leaving their issue revolver unloaded/partially loaded and training to go straight to the backup 9mm. Idea being, as they explained over a pitcher of beer, that if they did end up grappling with a frequent flyer and they guy came with the duty gun, that gave extra justification to their decision to shoot -- after all, in the heat of the moment they just saw a gun, had no reason to expect that it was their gun with an empty chamber or two, right?

None of these guys ever ended up shooting anybody, but one did have the pucker-tightening moment of facing down their own revolver in a perps hands and it going click on an empty chamber (just before their partner tackled the dude to the pavement).

 

[DPR]

I guess you never cleared a room and made a mistake sometimes shit happens

usually happens around a**holes

 

[pastera]

pastera is clearly more qualified to break down the risks of grappling than i am

This threads into satire at this point

Sorry but the soy boy bitch initiated a deadly force encounter.
At that point he can only regain innocence by completely retreating from the affray in a clear manner.
It doesn't matter if the remainder of the attack does not meet the deadly force standard - once he opened that door the defender can use deadly force to stop the ongoing attack.

You can toss out poorly cloaked ad hominems all you want - I don't care.
The common law around self defense is clear.
The initial attack objectively elevated to deadly force since knocking a 47 year old over weight guy to the ground from behind by a ~200+ pound grown male is highly likely to at least cause back injuries lasting for months if not permanent damage with pain and disability.

You may have grappling skills that would have prevented that level of harm to YOU but that's not the standard.
If the average person of average fighting skills was attacked in that manner it is reasonable to believe that they could likely suffer some harm lasting weeks or months.
The threshold can be lowered if the actual individual is, even unbeknownst to the attacker, more suseptible to harm than the average person.

So now that you have professed unusual grappling skills I know that I am subject to greater risk of harm from any attack from you - as does anyone else on this forum of average skill - and can act accordingly. And having watched many MMA matches I have pre knowledge that grappling an opponent with much better training a d experience is highly likely to result in lasting injuries.
You might not like it but that's how the law works.

 

[Dench]

Sorry but the soy boy bitch initiated a deadly force encounter.

Can you guys post the video that shows this?

 

[DJBrad]

Im wondering where they draw the line? Overly firm hand shake?

Definitely a soft one.

 

[Garys]

It is nearly impossible to convince people how bad the self defense situation is in MA.

Oof. Not at all. Even in a free state. In MA. Ouch….Near Boston..double ouch.

That said he was viciously attacked nothing changes that fact. In a free state he would walk
After the dust cleared.

 

[pastera]

Can you guys post the video that shows this?

Would a 47 year old likely incur a lasting back injury when it from behind by a 200+ male a decade younger running full speed?
The answer is objectively yes.
Therefore the attacker took the encounter from verbal protest to a deadly force attack.
Unless there is video showing the vet threatening the attacker with deadly force then the soy boy is the initial aggressor and owns the attack.

 

[Dench]

Would a 47 year old likely incur a lasting back injury when it from behind by a 200+ male a decade younger running full speed?
The answer is objectively yes.
Therefore the attacker took the encounter from verbal protest to a deadly force attack.
Unless there is video showing the vet threatening the attacker with deadly force then the soy boy is the initial aggressor and owns the attack.

A back injury? Maybe. More likely a head injury though.

 

[pastera]

A back injury? Maybe. More likely a head injury though.

Traumatic brain injury-Traumatic brain injury - Symptoms & causes - Mayo Clinic

If a head injury causes a mild traumatic brain injury, long-term problems are rare. But a severe injury can mean significant problems.

www.mayoclinic.org

Traumatic brain injury usually results from a violent blow or jolt to the head or body. An object that goes through brain tissue, such as a bullet or shattered piece of skull, also can cause traumatic brain injury.

Mild traumatic brain injury may affect your brain cells temporarily. More-serious traumatic brain injury can result in bruising, torn tissues, bleeding and other physical damage to the brain. These injuries can result in long-term complications or death.

So you admit that the attacker initiated a deadly force attack?

 

[In God We Trust]

pastera is clearly more qualified to break down the risks of grappling than i am

This threads into satire at this point

I tend to agree with most of what you have posted here.

I’m a big dude but I’m pretty out of shape and have some medical issues and older. I could potentially have a heart attack if I got in a fist fight. There is a huge difference in danger between myself and someone else my age who does CrossFit or trains grappling.

This may come down to a defense based on disparity of force. If say Royce Gracie attacked me and I didn’t know who he was, I would be wrong to shoot him. If I knew who he was, I’d be justified in smoking him. That’s how I was trained anyway back in the day. Things are different in the post George Floyd world though.

 

[Bonesinium]

Can you guys post the video that shows this?

I feel like you are talking about something else than everyone else. It’s in the first post of the thread. Are you seriously trying to claim the guy who sprinted across the street and tackled the guy wasn’t the aggressor? Because that’s what I saw happen in the video. And I cannot comprehend how you don’t think that person was the aggressor. It doesn’t make sense.