The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[JDL]

I don’t think of that as I’ve had my ltc since I was 18 and that was a while back.

Got my fid at 15.

I still have that paper fid that is good for life. Lol

ETA: Rights should not cost money, nor should you need training.

If so, let’s have a class to tell everyone how the 1st, 4th, and 5th work. Let alone

I don’t think the state wants to teach people to shoot.

I think they want to make getting a license more difficult.

Yes I am sure this the plan to make so difficult that I people will be discouraged and not bother.

 

[vcman]

Everyone has been talking about AR's and lists and what guns will have to be EFA10'ed when and no one has mentioned the change in training needed to apply for an LTC. The list of things needed to be trained in and mandatory range time looks as though it would put training out of reach for a lot of people either cost, time, or just making it so difficult that some will be discouraged and not bother.

I was worry about this, soo i told my wife to apply for her ltc. She got it a month ago, she own 3 guns now.

 

[chris_1001]

I don’t think the state wants to teach people to shoot.

I think they want to make getting a license more difficult.

Bingo!!!!

 

[not new guy]

Are renewals getting more complicated or just new LTCs?

 

[Ron Jablonski]

Are renewals getting more complicated or just new LTCs?

I believe renewals are unaffected in terms of training. Your old certificate should still be good.

 

[Hardwired]

Me neither. Maybe she realizes how terrible this is and doesn’t want to risk losing the AWB and rosters completely and permanently.

She’s freaking drinking wine, partying and munching.

 

[Junior314]

Act accordingly.

 

[Hardwired]

My guess is that she will sign it with an emergency preamble on 8/2, making it effective immediately.

That’s pretty much her style from what we have seen. We scrambled on 7/20 and what could be better than a but$&@k on 8/2 you got your warning from your representing legislature passing this

 

[Hardwired]

"a roster of firearms approved for sale and use in the commonwealth using the parameters set forth in section 123"

The key word is sale. I don't see anything in the bill that would disallow you from buying a long gun out of state (assuming it is not an assault-style firearm) and bringing it into the state. However, there is a new language on firearm registration, which would probably apply to such situations: "Firearm registration shall be completed at the time of firearm import". Then I guess that the moment you import the firearm to the state is the moment you cross the state border with this newly imported firearm, so you would need to stop your car right after crossing the MA state border, and use your phone internet to do an eFA-10. Very safe and effective! /s

How about “and use”? You bring it in or even have said unapproved firearm on such roster and it is not legal to use. What a cluster F

 

[inerlogic]

So does MA compliant work even matter then?

Healey's letter said "Mass compliant" isn't a thing, anything post 94 is illegal, but she was choosing not to prosecute.
the new bill says AWs owned before 8/1 are good to go.

don't pin, weld or grind anything, NOTHING passes the features test, does it matter whether you have 3 features or 30 features?

 

[inerlogic]

The section 49 summary for LTC says that the possession of large capacity and semi-automatic firearms is banned.
Does that mean ALL semi autos, including pistols?

you need to read the new definition of large capacity firearm

 

[DJBrad]

New Ma gun owners and ffls on 8/2




View: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9CS9OzOqn-/?igsh=YTZkM3RvYjFidjg3

 

[chris_1001]

Act accordingly.

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[inerlogic]

I can’t believe she hasn't signed this yet. This will make her queen of the land in the anti gun circles and make her the one that spearheaded the strongest gun laws in the country. Please VP Harres look at me I am the one. I'm queer and I here and will help you get guns out of the law abiden Americans hands. Please pick me when you are elected president. Maybe even consider me for a running mate at the convention.

she's not going to pick Healey, there are battleground states she can pull from for votes, MA is in the bag, she doesn't need shit from us.... so we're stuck with shit in boston

 

[JDL]

I believe renewals are unaffected in terms of training. Your old certificate should still be good.

It dosent say anything about renewals, so there should not be a change. The big change is going to be the people that want to apply for there first LTC. How will this work it really dosent outline the steps clearly. The State Police will be charged with putting the course program togather with all the new elements and a test. Will this also include the current NRA programs, this is unknown? No longer will the instructor issue the training certificate that will be issued by the State Police. Will the current cerified instructors be the instructors for the new program this is unknown and not outlined? What kind of training will be needed to be a certified instructor unknowned and not outlined. Will taking the current training still apply to obtain a certificate in order to apply for an LTC on 8/1/2024 or will training and LTC applications be suspended untill the new program is in place this is also unknown and not outlined.

 

[JDL]

she's not going to pick Healey, there are battleground states she can pull from for votes, MA is in the bag, she doesn't need shit from us.... so we're stuck with shit in boston

Yes agree

 

[inerlogic]

Bullet Button

bullet buttons, stupid plastic lock things..... has anyone read the bill?

a copy or duplicate of any firearm meeting the standards of or enumerated in clauses
168 (d) and (e); provided, that for the purposes of this subsection, “copy or duplicate” shall mean a
169 firearm: (A) that was manufactured or subsequently configured with an ability to accept a
170 detachable magazine;

this was Maurona's stance is '16 codified.... if it was MANUFACTURED to accept, it counts, you cannot modify it to make it legal.
that's why guys like CGW are selling those queer lowers that are MANUFACTURED as fixed mag

 

[inerlogic]

Now if the new definition of all guns are firearms that makes a pistol a firearm for this law. Would a semi auto pistol now be banned from carry?? I think that may be their intention

you have to read the definitions

“Large capacity firearm”, any firearm that: (i) is semiautomatic with a fixed large
262 capacity feeding device; (ii) is semiautomatic and capable of accepting, or readily modifiable to
263 accept, any detachable large capacity feeding device when both are in the same person’s
264 possession or under their control in a vehicle; (iii) employs a rotating cylinder capable of
265 accepting more than 10 rounds of ammunition or more than 5 shotgun shells; or (iv) is an
266 assault-style firearm; provided, however, that “large capacity firearm” shall be a secondary
267 designation and shall apply to a firearm in addition to its primary designation as a firearm, and
268 shall not include, any firearm that: (a) operates by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (b) is
269 a single-shot firearm; (c) has been modified so as to render it permanently inoperable or
270 otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated a large capacity firearm; or (d) is an
271 antique or relic, theatrical prop or other firearm that is not capable of firing a projectile and
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272 which is not intended for use as a functional firearm and cannot be readily modified through a
273 combination of available parts into an operable large capacity firearm.

a handgun is not large capacity unless you possess a large capacity magazine, with it, on your person

 

[inerlogic]

If that comes to being - just slap a “mag lock “ on the rifle. With a fixed mag it’s no longer an assault rifle.

once an assault weapon, always an assault weapon, for people on a text based forum, none of y'all read...

 

[HorizontalHunter]

I believe renewals are unaffected in terms of training. Your old certificate should still be good.

In terms of training yes.

I suspect that there will be some LTC’s not renewed now that the licensing process will be allowed expanded access to DMH health records and the other sundries the slide in.

 

[inerlogic]

I think you can put a folding stock on anything legally possessed prior to 8/1, but hopefully someone will correct me if that’s not right.

that's what i've been going with since '16
maura said they're ALL illegal, folding stocks, muzzle breaks and bayo lugs aren't going to make them illegaler

they
are
all
illegal....

on 8/1, they're grandfathered

 

[Laderbuilt]

you have to read the definitions



a handgun is not large capacity unless you possess a large capacity magazine, with it, on your person

Thank you for clarity. I haven’t seen that section of definitions. I don’t recall seeing it on goals summary page and that the only source I’ve seen on this POS

 

[HARRYM]

Trump should look at this election as the only way for him to stay out of jail for life. He should get serious and stop calling people names and hit them with everything else. Most of all tell America what Republicans will do for them to keep the country free. Democrats are already trying to say they are the party of Freedom ! Haaaa!

They have attacked his businesses, attacked his family, falsely impeached him twice, falsely accused him of working with the Russians, falsely accused him of making up the Hunter Biden laptop story, accused him of hiring Russian Prostitutes to pee on him, trying to lock him up for 750 years, a threat to Democracy, Racist, Hitler, planted document evidence against him, repeating "he must be stopped" to incite someone to try and kill him.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I'm pretty sure we are way past the the sticks and stones stage...........

 

[CrackPot]

once an assault weapon, always an assault weapon, for people on a text based forum, none of y'all read...

No. The only sticky attribute is capable of accepting a detachable magazine. Other features can be neutered and are evaluated as they are. So once detachable, always detachable is what is accurate.

 

[HARRYM]

ALL semi-automatics will now require a LTC to purchase or transfer. Several years ago when they started referring semi-automatics as assault weapons I said this is what they were up to.

 

[Taipan01]

This is just an old timey tag as I've nothing to add as better minds than mine are more adapt at filtering the legalese verbiage. Something about lawyer speak leaves me slack jawed as it's all double talk to my ears, eyes whatever.

 

[HARRYM]

Blue Lever Pullers.........the gift that keeps on giving........

 

[Hetzer]

Does that mean Tavors and others will be available after 8/1?

I doubt it but that’s just my opinion.

 

[not new guy]

It sounds like virtually nothing semiauto will be available at first, and then it will be effectively nothing available once they get the rosters and lists and testing stuff in place.

 

[pastera]

Help me understand what that matters when this is about interpretation of a MA law?

The Mass AWB was a copy of the federal ban - copies and duplicates is in the definition of an assault weapon in the law
Mass Chapt 140 Sect 121 - Definition

''Assault weapon'', shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994, and shall include, but not be limited to, any of the weapons, or copies or duplicates of the weapons, of any caliber, known as: (i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK) (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC–70); (iv) Colt AR–15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR and FNC; (vi) SWD M–10, M–11, M–11/9 and M–12; (vi) Steyr AUG; (vii) INTRATEC TEC–9, TEC–DC9 and TEC–22; and (viii) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as, or similar to, the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; provided, however, that the term assault weapon shall not include: (i) any of the weapons, or replicas or duplicates of such weapons, specified in appendix A to 18 U.S.C. section 922 as appearing in such appendix on September 13, 1994, as such weapons were manufactured on October 1, 1993; (ii) any weapon that is operated by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (iii) any weapon that has been rendered permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated a semiautomatic assault weapon; (iv) any weapon that was manufactured prior to the year 1899; (v) any weapon that is an antique or relic, theatrical prop or other weapon that is not capable of firing a projectile and which is not intended for use as a functional weapon and cannot be readily modified through a combination of available parts into an operable assault weapon; (vi) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; or (vii) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.