dcmdon
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To be fair, arrests and trials don't get you case law. It has to go all the way to a verdict for that.
Fine, give me one arrest.
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To be fair, arrests and trials don't get you case law. It has to go all the way to a verdict for that.
That is messed up.
I dont understand, how the f*ck do serious competitors handle this stuff, specially when they might have to spend 3 days at an event?
Isn't there a big long range competition held in NJ?
I know people say if you have a piece of paper saying you are competing you are fine. But, are we?
I thought it was $100.
Wait...this is off the table now?They don't have problems because they don't go driving crazy and picking up whores.
Also, many states have competition carve outs.
Wait...this is off the table now?
Wow, that is just effed up beyond belief...He flew from West Coast to his home in W. PA, however he missed the connecting flight home out of Newark. Airline forced him to take his luggage (legally checked firearm) with him to the hotel overnight and when he checked back in to get that last leg flight home, they arrested him. He appealed all the way to NJ supreme court and they agreed that he never opened the bag with the gun, but he was in illegal possession of a gun in NJ. Gov. Crispy Creme commuted his sentence when he was running for president. He spent 3 yrs in NJ prison and is a PP now.
I said I had offered 100 in the past. Times are tough. I'm paying $100 per thousand for primers. Ha. (not really. I've got a good stash)
Only in Jersey City.
no reason to stop in NY state. gas up before you get into NY, do not stop.
I shudder to think what would happen if you break down crossing over to scranton....but pray for a little luck and you will be good.
no reason to stop in NY state. gas up before you get into NY, do not stop.
The airline didn't force him, IIRC. He chose to pick up his luggage, and then asked the airline to hold it for him. They declined.He flew from West Coast to his home in W. PA, however he missed the connecting flight home out of Newark. Airline forced him to take his luggage (legally checked firearm) with him to the hotel overnight and when he checked back in to get that last leg flight home, they arrested him.
I can find no reference to him asking the airline to hold the bag, or of them declining. Here's the text from REVELL v. PORT AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK, NEW JERSEYThe airline didn't force him, IIRC. He chose to pick up his luggage, and then asked the airline to hold it for him. They declined.
If you're ever in that situation in NY or NJ (or MD or Chicago), just leave your bag and let the airline get it to you at your destination. As a carrier, they are exempt, but you are not.
Your cite is better than my memory.I can find no reference to him asking the airline to hold the bag, or of them declining. Here's the text from REVELL v. PORT AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY
"Because his flight into Newark was late, Revell missed his connection from Newark to Allentown. He booked the next flight to Allentown, which was scheduled to leave Newark at 8 p.m. that evening, but, after the airline changed arrangements, the passengers scheduled for that flight were asked to board a bus, instead of a plane, headed for Allentown. Revell got on the bus; however, when he learned that his luggage was not on board, he got off to locate it. [In a triple-whammy for Revell, not only had the airline made him miss his connection and then put him on a bus instead of a plane, a Northwest employee had mistakenly checked his luggage to Newark, instead of Allentown, as his final destination.] By the time he retrieved his luggage, he had missed the bus, and no other connections to Allentown were available. He then went directly to the Newark Airport Sheraton Hotel in a hotel shuttle, taking his luggage with him."
I absolutely agree with your comment to "leave your bag." I'd avoid it like it was radioactive.
Absolutely agree.Your cite is better than my memory.
The point stands: he went searching for his luggage and retrieved it, and that's what got him in a jam.
yes, thisThe airline didn't force him, IIRC. He chose to pick up his luggage, and then asked the airline to hold it for him. They declined.
If you're ever in that situation in NY or NJ (or MD or Chicago), just leave your bag and let the airline get it to you at your destination. As a carrier, they are exempt, but you are not.
if i were in ny or nj?Who here wouldn't go search for their missing luggage when a gun is in the bag?
In his situation? Me, for one.Who here wouldn't go search for their missing luggage when a gun is in the bag?
In NY/NJ/CA/etc? The ONLY way I'd touch that bag is to head straight to a car rental place. I would NEVER approach an airline counter in those states and declare that I have a gun.Who here wouldn't go search for their missing luggage when a gun is in the bag?
(As hinted later), it's like a dog chasing cars -Who here wouldn't go search for their missing luggage when a gun is in the bag?
In NY/NJ/CA/etc? The ONLY way I'd touch that bag is to head straight to a car rental place.
^^^This. Those of us living in restrictive states like Mass are used to paying close attention to all the sundry firearms laws. Most folks living in free states probably aren’t even aware of FOPA or how it is often ignored in NY and NJ.Lots of gun owners aren't this well educated on the laws in discussion.
^^^This. Those of us living in restrictive states like Mass are used to paying close attention to all the sundry firearms laws. Most folks living in free states probably aren’t even aware of FOPA or how it is often ignored in NY and NJ.
Don't limit it to Port Authority Airports. Long Island McArthur Airport is also an offender:It is only ignored at Port Authority airports in NY and NJ. I know of no documented cases of trouble anywhere else in those states. Most specifically driving the interstates or the Jersey Turnpike.
The reality is nobody cares, people sack up, secure their shit, shut their mouths, don't drive like jerks, and just go compete wherever. Hell MAs competition exemption is legally invalid as written (according to the guida interpretation) but that doesn't seem to deter anyone.That is messed up.
I dont understand, how the f*ck do serious competitors handle this stuff, specially when they might have to spend 3 days at an event?
Isn't there a big long range competition held in NJ?
I know people say if you have a piece of paper saying you are competing you are fine. But, are we?
The reality is nobody cares, people sack up, secure their shit, shut their mouths, don't drive like jerks, and just go compete wherever. Hell MAs competition exemption is legally invalid as written (according to the guida interpretation) but that doesn't seem to deter anyone.
My trepidation with this is that Glidden has been teaching his chiefs/LOs differently for the past few years. So assuming someone does get stopped and talks too much (extremely likely), the situation is very likely to change. That is why I warn people about this.EXACTLY. If you are seeking zero risk, then just sit in your basement and polish your musket collection.
Despite the fact that some of the really smart people on this list have shown that the MA competition exemption is worthless, Its always been taken at face value by LE.
My trepidation with this is that Glidden has been teaching his chiefs/LOs differently for the past few years. So assuming someone does get stopped and talks too much (extremely likely), the situation is very likely to change. That is why I warn people about this.
EXACTLY. If you are seeking zero risk, then just sit in your basement and polish your musket collection.
Despite the fact that some of the really smart people on this list have shown that the MA competition exemption is worthless, Its always been taken at face value by LE.
He stated it in 2014, last time I attended his seminar. He updates and publishes the book twice a year, so likely in there now. The latest book I have is from a number of years ago.What does the current version of his shitty book say? If he hasn't changed it in there, hes still likely reciting the old stuff.