I just looked at my log, that was PPU brass.
I don't recall trying those bullets in 357. But it seemed regardless of what powder and brass combination I tried, I couldn't get them to settle down and run consistent velocities in 38. I tried Federal, Starline, PPU, R-P nickel plated. The best extreme spread numbers I was able to get those bullets to run in 38 Special was with 4.4 grains of Red Dot, in Federal brass, with CCI 500 primers, seated way down to 1.33" with the crimp folded a little over the start of the bullet's taper kind of like a wadcutter, which out of the 442 ran right about 800fps with a SD of 32fps. I was glad to be done with that box of bullets.
Oh, a 5/16" small block Chevy pushrod worked great as a drift to drive the bullet out of the barrel backwards, and I keep one in the cleaning kit now.