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Will "Real ID" clean house?
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You mean the social security card, many of which when originally issued said "Not Valid for ID" right on it?
"Seventh version of SSN card (1/46 revision). The seal was now the Social Security Administration Seal and both the card and the stub bore the legend “For Social Security Purposes Not For Identification.” Back of the card showed: Federal Security Agency, Social Security Administration.
Sixth version of replacement SSN card (1/46 revision). Both card and stub showed “For Social Security Purposes--Not For Identification” across the bottom. Back of card showed: Federal Security Agency, Social Security Administration."
Well MA RMV sold SSNs and DLs to illegals a number of years ago . . . some heads rolled and I think that they were prosecuted. Other agencies in MA did similar stuff. I'm sure other states had similar issues. One thing you NEVER hear about is that they ever "made it right" for the victims of stolen identity. So I do think this is reasonably common and why SSNs should NOT be used as a national ID.
Example of MA Catch and release policy
Thomas Latanowich arrested in killing of Yarmouth Police Officer Sean Gannon had 114 previous offenses
And now more focus on release and rehab. Giving criminals and the criminally negligent the help they need....at our expense
Massachusetts legislators back revamp of state's criminal justice laws | Boston.com
I would now expect a MA law that states, it's illegal not to feed the coyotes and bears!
Thomas Latanowich arrested in killing of Yarmouth Police Officer Sean Gannon had 114 previous offenses
And now more focus on release and rehab. Giving criminals and the criminally negligent the help they need....at our expense
Massachusetts legislators back revamp of state's criminal justice laws | Boston.com
I would now expect a MA law that states, it's illegal not to feed the coyotes and bears!
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KBCraig
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So how has the DHS effort to make an example out of American Samoa fared? And what can other states and territories learn from this example?
Basically, (1) the sky didn’t fall, and (2) the DHS blinked (again). The message to other states is that they shouldn’t be panicked into “compliance” by empty DHS threats.
DHS still usings American Samoans as “REAL-ID” guinea pigs | Papers, Please!
I have a friend who lurks here on occasion.
He is a US citizen, born to an American Mom and a Saudi dad, in Saudi Arabia.
He has an FS-240 (Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America) and it took the Registry multiple trips to accept this as a valid document.
His LTC nearly expired as well, because his town requires your Driver's license to be registry printed with your current address. Took weeks to get the DL, they issued a copy of his current (soon to expire) DL with updated address (and charged him) then he got the birth abroad certificate validated, and got to pay for a renewal as well.
A proper cock-up.
He is a US citizen, born to an American Mom and a Saudi dad, in Saudi Arabia.
He has an FS-240 (Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America) and it took the Registry multiple trips to accept this as a valid document.
His LTC nearly expired as well, because his town requires your Driver's license to be registry printed with your current address. Took weeks to get the DL, they issued a copy of his current (soon to expire) DL with updated address (and charged him) then he got the birth abroad certificate validated, and got to pay for a renewal as well.
A proper cock-up.
MachineHead
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Road to Zero
Sounds like a real megalomaniac. Besides the impossibility of getting 100% yield on nearly anything, it sounds like she’s perfectly willing to step over basic rights (i.e requiring automation/tracking in driving) to get to her goal.
The entire framework can be found here: https://www.nsc.org/Portals/0/Docum...Zero/The-Report.pdf?ver=2018-04-17-111652-263
The next step, link Real-ID to Palm-Scan ?
How biometric palm scans help keep hospitals secure
Hospital turns to palm reading to ID patients
My first question would be, when was the last time that scanner was cleaned?
And for the vehicle...
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-13/pot-breathalyzer-hits-the-street
It's all part of "Animal Control"
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWjtI6n5xWM
How biometric palm scans help keep hospitals secure
Hospital turns to palm reading to ID patients
My first question would be, when was the last time that scanner was cleaned?
And for the vehicle...
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-13/pot-breathalyzer-hits-the-street
It's all part of "Animal Control"
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWjtI6n5xWM
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I'm trying to renew my license right now - and it's not letting me. I selected the no Real ID option, and then it just tries to shove me into giving up my passport or birth certificate information for my "proof of lawful presence".
I don't have a passport , and I don't have a birth certificate with a number on it. I've got a stamped birth certificate , but the thing is from like 40 years ago, so it doesn't have any sort of ID# on it.
I don't need a passport - and I couldn't get one anyway in time to renew the license (expires end of May), so that's not even an option.
WTF.
slugworth
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It is very easy..... Call town hall where you were born. Ask how. They will want a fee possibly as much as $15 plus a SASE envelope to mail it to you. Or go in person. Amazingly they just give these things out without any ID or anything. So if you want to become someone else, now is your chance.
Yep - that looks like the same system I was in. I got the renewal notice in the snail mail, which said I could renew online - and I've been so busy for the last couple of weeks I just forgot to do it. I've renewed online in the past and not had a problem. The snail mail notice in fact says once you do it online you can receive the new license in 5-7 business days.
I may have to see if I can get a certified birth certificate with some sort of ID # on it, maybe that will let me renew online.
Yeah - I was born in Concord (MA) - so I should probably just take a ride over to Town Hall and get a new copy of my birth certificate.
I took my daughter for her learners permit a couple of weeks ago. They didn't want the birth certificate. SS Card, passport, signed affidavit, school id, a copy of my DL and we were done.
Oh, and definitely fill the paperwork out first on-line before you go if you can. For license renewals if you are a triple A member you can go to a triple A office that has a mini registry that usually renew licenses and registrations for AAA Members. The Westwood Office provides these services. Daughter was a permit and they do not do permits at triple A.
Oh, and definitely fill the paperwork out first on-line before you go if you can. For license renewals if you are a triple A member you can go to a triple A office that has a mini registry that usually renew licenses and registrations for AAA Members. The Westwood Office provides these services. Daughter was a permit and they do not do permits at triple A.
Good tips. I am an AAA member. I already called Concord Town Hall - they're going to have a long-form birth certificate ready for me this afternoon. I'll stop by tomorrow morning and pick it up and try the online license renewal thing again after I have that.
Q: REAL ID does NOT apply to the following:
- Entering Federal facilities that do not require a person to present identification
- Voting or registering to vote
- Applying for or receiving Federal benefits
- Being licensed by a state to drive
- Accessing Health or life preserving services (including hospitals and health clinics), law enforcement, or constitutionally protected activities (including a defendant's access to court proceedings)
- Participating in law enforcement proceedings or investigations
KBCraig
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FIFY.
I renewed yesterday in NH. It took a full hour, but only because the DMV is a 50 minute round trip.
As on my initial license, I opted out of them retaining SSN or photo; this time, I also got to opt out of the REAL ID-compliant option.
I received zero push-back, just a gentle reminder that if I needed a replacement, I would have to present two forms of ID.
Similar to my experience last year. I was annoyed by the whole temporary license drill though. They should be able to do normal licenses on the spot like the old days. The system leads me to suspect that what we have is a Real ID in every respect but the little decorative star in the corner.
namedpipes
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The "proof" documents to get either version of the drivers license appear to be the same.
Since you cannot renew a RealID online and you can (at least half the time) a regular license, then assuming you have a passport or passport card to cover those situations where you DO need RealID . . .
You're better off getting the regular license.
I wonder... is this a "Get Out of Jury Duty Free" card? Not having RealID, I mean...?
Yep.
I'm not getting a RealID compliant license - I'll get the regular license. But you're correct - when you select the regular license - it asks for all the same shit anyway in the online RMV site.
I went to Concord (MA) - and got a long form copy of my birth certificate yesterday. I have to say - the woman at the Town Clerk's office was very nice, very helpful - and had it all ready to go when I got there ( I had called the day before). She said a lot of people have been coming in for birth certificates because of this license crap. As much of a pain in the ass I think the vast majority of the government is - I still think it deserves mention when I get good service somewhere. So kudos to the Concord Town Clerk.
LOL. Exactly. That's why I'll just keep the "regular" license thank you very much.
