Buying a scope. MOA or MIL?

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Looking to buy a scope today. Mid to long range Target shooting. I have a couple picked out. (Black Friday sale)
What do you prefer? Mil or Moa?
 
Go mil, faster to learn if you’ve never used an moa. I hate fractions, decimals work better for me.

Golddiggie said:
I got MOA because I don't think in commie units. [rofl2].

Seriously though, if someone started spotting for me and started calling out metric units, they're getting a nut-punch.
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Good for you guy.
 
Now you just need to decide what your budget range is along with several other aspects of the scope and then pick one. I've been eyeballing ones from Swamp Fox lately. They have two that have the magnification range I'd want. Along with being FFL. I'm looking for both my 6.5 Grendel setup and AR10 in 308. Not sure when I would do he purchase so I'll probably miss out on the current specials.
 
I much prefer MOA. Easy to remember 1” at 100 yards, 2 at 200, etc. And if you’re dialing, you’re in fractions of that. Which are easing fractions. Either a quarter or half, usually.

But it’s also going to depend on your reticle choice and how you want to use it. A Mil BDC reticle for someone who prefers MOA might not be that big of a deal. Because you’re generally not dialing if you’re using the BDC, except for zero. So it’s not as big of a deal.
 
AllaSnackbah said:
I cant believe people still actually argue that moa is better than mil.
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I know Mil is superior, but everything i own is MOA. All of my close shooting friends have nothing but MOA, so it's basically a standardization issue with us at this point. None of us want to learn .mil, nor spend thousands to replace what we have/know/works. Oh well.
 
AllaSnackbah said:
I cant believe people still actually argue that moa is better than mil.
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Why?

MOA scopes have finer adjustments with each click (usually) than MIL scopes.

I'm not saying MOA is better than MIL... I've gotten rid of all my MOA scopes and use all MIL, but I wouldn't say it's "better" overall. It's just better for my uses.
 
VTski4x4 said:
Reorder it from Eurooptic. They have it in stock. Already discounted, and then you take another 15% off with the code, plus free Red (overnight) shipping.
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I ended up paying 2479 from optics planet. Euro optics didn’t have that discount at the time. I may order from euro optics today after talking to optics planet
 
LuvDog said:
Why?

MOA scopes have finer adjustments with each click (usually) than MIL scopes.

I'm not saying MOA is better than MIL... I've gotten rid of all my MOA scopes and use all MIL, but I wouldn't say it's "better" overall. It's just better for my uses.
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Agreed. There’s no better or worse, it’s just personal preference.
 
lukewarm_fuzz said:
Agreed. There’s no better or worse, it’s just personal preference.
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It's easier for me to think in MOA. Need to shift X" left at XXX yards, no real math needed. Especially when sighting in. It would be more effort than it's worth to shift over to mil at this point in my life. Maybe if it was popular, or even existed, when I started shooting (almost 50 years ago now) that would be different. With most optics having fractional MOA clicks, adjusting at range is also pretty easy.
 
Golddiggie said:
It's easier for me to think in MOA. Need to shift X" left at XXX yards, no real math needed. Especially when sighting in. It would be more effort than it's worth to shift over to mil at this point in my life. Maybe if it was popular, or even existed, when I started shooting (almost 50 years ago now) that would be different. With most optics having fractional MOA clicks, adjusting at range is also pretty easy.
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This is the sort of thinking that drives people into one of the two camps, that somehow mils are tied to meters and minutes are tied to yards.

If you reference everything off your base angular measurement it’s all irrelevant.

Left 2.5 moa is 2.5 moa. Right 4 mils is 4 mils. There’s no need to introduce any other measurements into the process with modern optics.

Obviously if people are talking old school reticle styles without subtensions you can make a better case for picking one over the other.
 
lukewarm_fuzz said:
This is the sort of thinking that drives people into one of the two camps, that somehow mils are tied to meters and minutes are tied to yards.

If you reference everything off your base angular measurement it’s all irrelevant.

Left 2.5 moa is 2.5 moa. Right 4 mils is 4 mils. There’s no need to introduce any other measurements into the process with modern optics.

Obviously if people are talking old school reticle styles without subtensions you can make a better case for picking one over the other.
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What are "mils" in real world measure units??
At least MOA is easy to know, since it's 1" at 100 yards. I'm sure I'm not alone in being able to process that with minimal thought.
As I mentioned, IF I was new to this, maybe mil would work. At this point in my life, MOA is just easier, and faster, to process. I don't got no TIME to try to switch to the other.
 
Golddiggie said:
What are "mils" in real world measure units??
At least MOA is easy to know, since it's 1" at 100 yards. I'm sure I'm not alone in being able to process that with minimal thought.
As I mentioned, IF I was new to this, maybe mil would work. At this point in my life, MOA is just easier, and faster, to process. I don't got no TIME to try to switch to the other.
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1 MOA is 1.047" at 100. 1 MIl is 3.6". Any competent shooter will be able to successfully use either system. The math isn't hard, it's just different. You could easily switch but there'd be no reason outside of you doing long range precision shooting or joining the military hah.

To illustrate how simple it is, see below a ballistic chart for both MOA and MIL. All you're doing is dialing more with MOA vs MIL due to the finer adjustments.

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