Emergency Preamble to be signed Weds?

Sparkey said:
A deer hunting group I belong to all the fudds are calling trying to register their muzzle loaders and they are all worried because they can't. Bunch of idiots
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Lets have a NES get together and give them a phone number to call. We can all drink and have fun every time one calls.
 
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matt2491 said:
What's the point of having law if the state is just going to presume something else?

I think I'll choose to just follow the text and not presumptions. Just like I'm not planning to follow the EOPS new guidance suggesting dealers can still sell long guns, which is directly in conflict with the actual new law.
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The issue is that the legislature is full of retards and what they think they wrote isn't what they actually wrote.

Truth is that because the prior AWB was a "copy and duplicate" of the federal AWB then if you possessed a compliant firearm then it was legally possessed on 8/1.
But the state wants people to believe differently since it has kindergarten level reading comprehension.
 
matt2491 said:
What's the point of having law if the state is just going to presume something else?

I think I'll choose to just follow the text and not presumptions. Just like I'm not planning to follow the EOPS new guidance suggesting dealers can still sell long guns, which is directly in conflict with the actual new law.
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Their "guidance" is not law.

So, in my opinion, follow whatever is beneficial for you.

For example: if you are an FFL, it is beneficial to sell rifles, so you might want to follow that guidance. I don't think the State would go after an FFL for doing what the State said to do.

Example 2: if they release guidance that you have to FA10 builds, you could say it isnt beneficial for you, since the guidance is not a law, you can ignore it. The State can't take you to court and point the law you broke, therefore you didn't break a law.

That is the way I understand it.
 
pastera said:
Depends on what the injunction contains.
First - even though Mass courts are bound by Bruen and Canjura, I doubt they will issue a preliminary injunction.

However, if one is issued it will likely be issued against the ASF crap.
LCFD is still a question given the SJC's questions and comments during oral arguments in Canjura.
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Don't poop on my dream of UZI2 level of happiness.
 
Broc Tuah said:
Their "guidance" is not law.

So, in my opinion, follow whatever is beneficial for you.

For example: if you are an FFL, it is beneficial to sell rifles, so you might want to follow that guidance. I don't think the State would go after an FFL for doing what the State said to do.

Example 2: if they release guidance that you have to FA10 builds, you could say it isnt beneficial for you, since the guidance is not a law, you can ignore it. The State can't take you to court and point the law you broke, therefore you didn't break a law.

That is the way I understand it.
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The problem as I see it is they make it up as they go. That makes it impossible to know what is safe and what isn’t. All comes down to your ability to accept risk.
 
OnTheRoad said:
Stop playing the FA10 game if you don't have to. Why do you make THEIR work easier?

If you want a paper trail, easy. Write up a paragraph, "On (date) I, (name) transfer ownership of (make and model of gun), serial number (serial number) to (name of recipient) who has shown they are not a prohibited person by displaying MA LTC #(LTC #)." You both sign it. Tuck a copy away someplace safe.

There you go. LTC indicates they aren't a prohibited person. Your name, their name, date. No mention of any money changing hands because that's nobody's f'in business. If someday the gun is found at the bottom of a clock tower, you dig this paper up and tell the inquisition to move along.
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Oh no. Massachusetts people get a sexual thrill from complying with government bureaucrat demands. They love mandates, regulations, licensing and inspections.

I predict that soon, we'll have to get permits to take a dump, along with licensing, certification exams, inspections, and cameras in bathrooms to keep track of citizen dumping.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
The problem as I see it is they make it up as they go. That makes it impossible to know what is safe and what isn’t. All comes down to your ability to accept risk.
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That is a problem and, from what I see, unless you are constantly following the website, you won't find out about these things. Do dealers get a letter, Email or phone call?
 
Do these "guidance" letters exist on the byzantine state website somewhere? I have only seen them posted here.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
The problem as I see it is they make it up as they go. That makes it impossible to know what is safe and what isn’t. All comes down to your ability to accept risk.
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Most of us reviewing this POS from the beginning were telling people to put on their big boy pants since itnwas written so poorly and would require a lot of risk acceptance to continue to be a gun owner.

Proof positive is the reporting that FUDS are looking to register their muzzle loaders.

Was in Shooting Supply and heard one of the workers taking about the new requirement to register black powder, bit my tongue (a big effort for me) and just waited for my paperwork.
 
MAJoe said:
It’s interesting to see people here screaming they won’t comply with the new registration requirements and then consensus that people are going to still do FA10s even thought that system is completely dead per the law.

Not saying you shouldn’t do them to document a transfer, just an observation.
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If the eFA-10 system is no longer valid, I'm sure FRB will block access to that webpage. I'm positive this will not happen until a new system goes live, whatever year that happens.
milktree said:
I can easily see that there will be further EOPSS guidance in the next six years correcting their misreading and removing that requirement.
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Lots more memos, many in direct violation of the law that was passed.
 
pastera said:
Most of us reviewing this POS from the beginning were telling people to put on their big boy pants since itnwas written so poorly and would require a lot of risk acceptance to continue to be a gun owner.

Proof positive is the reporting that FUDS are looking to register their muzzle loaders.

Was in Shooting Supply and heard one of the workers taking about the new requirement to register black powder, bit my tongue (a big effort for me) and just waited for my paperwork.
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I would have said something.
 
Len-2A Training said:
If the eFA-10 system is no longer valid, I'm sure FRB will block access to that webpage. I'm positive this will not happen until a new system goes live, whatever year that happens.

Lots more memos, many in direct violation of the law that was passed.
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They are never going to block access. Why would they ever want to stop people from volunteering information?
 
APFSDS said:
Do these "guidance" letters exist on the byzantine state website somewhere? I have only seen them posted here.
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Those letters were Emailed by EOPS to dealers, PDs, instructors, etc. I've received 4 as of now, many more to come, of that I am certain.
 
Dennis in MA said:
I'm pretty sure people are still getting static. Maybe not city-wide, but there should be no static. Fill out form. If form is correct and fee paid and background check success, issue license - Hasty-pronto!
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Just wait untill the new training program goes into effect. The instructor will now have to submit to the state paper work that the student has completed the required training. Then the state will process the certificate and mail it to the student so they can now go to the police in there town or city and apply. Then the police process your information and submit to the state and the state then process the LTC/FID and then send it back to the police. More steps to go wrong and delay, get lost and slow down the entire process. How long will it take to get your LTC/FID under this cumbersome process when it sometimes takes 5-6 months in some towns now under the current process. I can see delays of over a year. This is just one more way to discourage applying.
 
pastera said:
There weren't enough customers in the store to make a difference.
BTDT - they are an FFL and I'm just a customer so how could I possibly know anything about gun law...
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I always make comments when an FFL or a customer at the FFL says something that isn't correct.

But I don't insult the FFL. I just ask questions they cant answer because it is not in the law.
 
Broc Tuah said:
Their "guidance" is not law.

So, in my opinion, follow whatever is beneficial for you.

For example: if you are an FFL, it is beneficial to sell rifles, so you might want to follow that guidance. I don't think the State would go after an FFL for doing what the State said to do.
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The state would be foolish to do so, because an entrapment by estoppel defense would almost certainly work. No competent DA/ADA would prosecute the case as it would present a high risk of staining their win/loss record.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
So I’ve been thinking about the following as I read through the replies.

#1 rule of non-compliance is:
STFU!!!

#2 rule of non-compliance is:
Don’t post your not going to comply on a public forum and oh yeah, see rule #1!

Maybe it’s just me.
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Meh. I've got posts on other threads talking about how I plan to help the cops compile their roster, and how I'm turning in all my guns. How are they supposed to know which one is serious and which is tongue-in-cheek?

But I'm not concerned. I already told them I believe the law is unconstitutional, in writing, with my name and address on it. Sent a letter to my legislators and errythang. I'm not even slightly worried that they'll jam me up. Know why?

Because I'm in the right. They're in the wrong. And I'm tired of pretending otherwise. Cower if you want to; I won't.
 

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