Coda
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I still live in the house I built 36 years ago, I am too attached. They are going to have to carry me out of this place.
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The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885
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pastera
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My kids are setting down here - I'm not jumping ship unless it is to follow them.
My thought is that the recent scotus decisions are going to start paying dividends under Trump or the entire country is going to make Mass look like the land of liberty under Harris.
My thought is that the recent scotus decisions are going to start paying dividends under Trump or the entire country is going to make Mass look like the land of liberty under Harris.
These did not age well. ("Bill suspended until next statewide election.")
It’s been well known that the vote wouldn’t take place until 2026.
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Did I read that wrong? I thought they were saying the bill would be suspended, when in fact, the governor applied the emergency order to make it immediate. Or is that a different thing?
I believe you have it correctly.
The bill, as passed and signed, would have been suspended until 2026.
It suddenly became an 'emergency' when people started collecting signatures to get it on the ballot.
Strange, huh?
Dench
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I miss my house back in MA a lot. Made the move a lot harder on me.
I think you should move back to MA.
No one should have to be leave the state because the state should not be doing this.
This is of course true, but in the real world, individual circumstances mean that some feel the weight of oppression more than others. How that balances out with the desire to fight what is wrong, and the ability to fight, means for some the better choice is to leave and fight from a more protected location.
It's not a simple decision, little in life is.
HorizontalHunter
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The fight is coming for us all regardless of where we live. In Mass it will just start sooner than later.
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I don’t disagree but I’ll just say that for me, guns were one small part of the reason I wanted to get the hell out of MA and never come back. Really, guns wouldn’t have been the deciding factor. All of the other negatives of living there were far greater reasons for leaving.
Dench
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The last straw for me was MAs Covid laws.
In reality, i could tolerate holding onto my preban collection in MA and being incredibly limited after this law.
I cant tolerate being told when and where i can go. I cant tolerate mask mandates.
Then we have the region (because it includes all of New England) flooded by bizarre transexual nonsense. I dont want to raise my kids near these people.
Dench
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I couldnt buy my house back. Its like 800k+ now.
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I've said this before in other threads. Guns probably sit around 5th or 6th reason for me wanting to leave this state. If it was just guns I could get by with a canik or Mini 14 or that cmmg br whatever. It kills me what were paying for utilities. I put up solar panels not because of some foolish climate change nonsense. My electric bill was insane. Insurance costs for vehicles is astronomical. The way the state makes rules then changes them on a whim because something comes up that doesn't fit the agenda. Most of the trans stuff and gay stuff I just don't care enough for it to matter but the way it's being pushed in schools really bothers me. But one of the biggest things for me is even if the political landscape changed (which it won't. Everyone is cool with this) I hate the cold. There's a myriad of other reasons but those are just some of main ones.
i do not think the current disproportion of utilities pricing will be such for very long, as it is a global grid issue and lack of capacity is nation wide.
so the cost hikes will inevitably crawl into all the states no exceptions, what we face here is only the beginning, but i would not give any hope for lower prices elsewhere to be any decision factor for a next decade or decade and a half.
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Like I said its host of issues. But as far as utilities my sister lives in Virginia and she runs everything on electric. Her use far out ways mine yet her bill is just over half of mine. Now I'll grant you that she uses less heat than I do but even though her heat is electric and I'm using gas now oil before she still pays far less than me. I'm just going by what I see in front of me. Not saying your wrong but it's what I'm seeing.
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I don't think that's how power grids work, but the feds refusing to permit nuke reactors or coal plants might be an equalizer to some extent. Still though, each system has its own supply costs, transmission costs, regulatory burdens and local laws to contend with. Aside from fed regulation they tend to be run pretty independently.
Coda
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In your case I am sure you made the right move. Don't second guess yourself.
But your post hits "home" (pardon the punning) for two reasons. #1 Because I can really understand how you can become attached to the home you live in. #2 you didn't call us a bunch of dumb asses for deciding to stay.
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I get loving your home. My kids only know the house we live in now. they were really young when we moved. They don't remember the two bedroom that we lived in before here. Plus when your work and payoff that mortgage it's your hard work that paid for this its yours and you earned it.
Dench
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I appreciate it. I know it was the right choice, however, I am quite resentful about how it all went down. I'm not innocent either, but the career ending, my wife losing her job due to the vaccine mandate....these people took my house from me. That's how I view it.In your case I am sure you made the right move. Don't second guess yourself.
But your post hits "home" (pardon the punning) for two reasons. #1 Because I can really understand how you can become attached to the home you live in. #2 you didn't call us a bunch of dumb asses for deciding to stay.
It was not an easy move. I was born and mostly grew up in this city also, so it's literally my life.
FL is great for a lot of things. It has a few big turds here and there but overall a lot better than MA politically. I still heavily identify as a new Englander though, I grew up around Boston and I am probably the last generation to even have a strong accent.
Been thinking about the vote to repeal in light of the election, and I'm starting to think it has a chance PROVIDED we get the people out to vote.
My thinking;
Trump got just over 1/3 the vote, that's really not that bad and it shows there are voters against the the usual Dem/Lib BS, and there were probably many more that didn't bother. Reasonable given that the state was going to go Harris no mater what.
The 2026 election won't see nearly the turnout we saw. And Dem/Rep races will go Dem no matter who/how many show, so many will sit it out. Any other position where the choice is between Dems, many just don't care enough who wins to get out and vote.
And believe it or not, outside some small loud groups, gun control isn't that big an issue to most of the people, they support it with a kind of "sure that sounds good" but aren't about to be inconvenienced by actually doing something.
And this is what creates an opertunity for us. We need to overcome the same "my vote doesn't matter" attitude of those who see this law as too much but aren't planning to vote. Holding signs on street corners, and mass mailings will help, but also get the opposition worked up. Less noticeable, but affective techniques like arraigning for vans to take groups to the poles (lots of conservatives are getting older) will also help.
Right now, all that can be done is plan and position. Kick off the campaign too early and it will just go stale.
But quiet is not dead, do not forget this possibility exists.
My thinking;
Trump got just over 1/3 the vote, that's really not that bad and it shows there are voters against the the usual Dem/Lib BS, and there were probably many more that didn't bother. Reasonable given that the state was going to go Harris no mater what.
The 2026 election won't see nearly the turnout we saw. And Dem/Rep races will go Dem no matter who/how many show, so many will sit it out. Any other position where the choice is between Dems, many just don't care enough who wins to get out and vote.
And believe it or not, outside some small loud groups, gun control isn't that big an issue to most of the people, they support it with a kind of "sure that sounds good" but aren't about to be inconvenienced by actually doing something.
And this is what creates an opertunity for us. We need to overcome the same "my vote doesn't matter" attitude of those who see this law as too much but aren't planning to vote. Holding signs on street corners, and mass mailings will help, but also get the opposition worked up. Less noticeable, but affective techniques like arraigning for vans to take groups to the poles (lots of conservatives are getting older) will also help.
Right now, all that can be done is plan and position. Kick off the campaign too early and it will just go stale.
But quiet is not dead, do not forget this possibility exists.
EJFudd
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I have always thought there was a possibility that this could work... but only if we really want it and are prepared to work hard for it and put out the money it is going to take to get the truth out about what this unconstitutional law really says and does to law-abiding people. That's an awfully big "if"...
I am in the minority here for sure. Most members think the courts are the one and only solution... and yes, they may be right.
There is an old saying about putting all your eggs in one basket, I would think the preppers out there would get this.I have always thought there was a possibility that this could work... but only if we really want it and are prepared to work hard for it and put out the money it is going to take to get the truth out about what this unconstitutional law really says and does to law-abiding people. That's an awfully big "if"...
I am in the minority here for sure. Most members think the courts are the one and only solution... and yes, they may be right.
This needs to be a single issue campaign. Do not focus or even talk about anything but gun rights. There are plenty of liberal gun owners in this state. They are the best bet we have to convince the 2/3rds of the state that leans left that H4885 was massive government overreach.
Unfortunately too many gun owners are too stubborn to see this and keep shit taking the left instead of trying to bring them around to supporting 2A. I know some will flame me for saying this, but to those of you who will..
How well has shit talking and yelling at the “libtards” worked for you to repeal the AWB over the past 30 years?
EJFudd
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The problem with what you wrote is that a large percentage of lefty/liberal gun owners do not necessarily mind extremely restrictive anti-2A laws. In fact, an awful lot of them like the idea that legal gun ownership in Massachusetts is more of an exclusive granted privilege rather than an actual right. In other words, you have to first convince them that broader legal gun ownership is a good thing generally before approaching them with the idea that our MA gun laws are way too overly restrictive (let alone unconstitutional).
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In my experience that isn’t actually true. Liberal gun owners have just as many ARs and other “naughty” guns as the rest do. Frankly, I probably see far more FUDDs on the right than the left at my range.
EJFudd
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Two separate issues... i.e., approving generally of super-restrictive (and unconstitutional) gun laws vs. what one owns. I have no doubt that lefty/liberal gun owners own all sorts of guns and God only knows what else.
I have always thought there was a possibility that this could work... but only if we really want it and are prepared to work hard for it and put out the money it is going to take to get the truth out about what this unconstitutional law really says and does to law-abiding people. That's an awfully big "if"...
I am in the minority here for sure. Most members think the courts are the one and only solution... and yes, they may be right.
Not "one and only," but in this case the courts might actually be faster. SCOTUS is well on its way to granting cert to that Illinois case, plus a couple more, and a ruling by them might moot this law before November 2026.
Things are definitely moving, and you're right that this repeal effort is one of those things.
