The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

PappyM3 said:
No. They are adding harassment orders to the DQ list.

If you have a minor disagreement with your neighbor, you could get a harassment order put against you and the police will come with a warrant to seize all your firearms if you don’t turn them in within 24 hours of the harassment order being issued.

The bar for a harassment order is much less than even the loosely issued restraining order.



Doesn’t even need to be a restraining order with this new bill. See above.
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This is not entirely accurate.

One can petition for a harrasment prevention order. One can also petiton for a restraining order.

If the courts find enough probable cause to issue said order, then the order gets funneled to the local PD who are required to issue the order in-hand or via a bona fide proxy (immediate family member).

Again, this is all on the courts and not on the PD. The PD can very much say "we're not going to confiscate potentially thousands of firearms on matters dealt with through the courts."

Where the hell are they going to store these firearms anyway???? And, on top of that, any time anything is seized it has to be documented and logged in. As far as I know, there aren't enough patrolmen/detectives to handle this nonsense in the first place.

But I circle back to -> this is a court issue. Not a PD issue.
 
Reptile said:
A Patriot with an arsenal of 100 rifles at home can have them confiscated.
However, being a Patriot, he will only need to replace 1 rifle to ensure Liberty.
That will be easy enough because there are 1,000 other Patriots with Thousands more guns.
- Reptile
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Corollary:

Those 1,000 other Patriots will be happy to replace that first Patriot's rifle at a 500% markup.

-Picton
 
Darkslide said:
I wonder if these politicians secretly own half the gun stores in MA, and they’re setting these laws to get ppl to panic buy.

Maura: “I got more sales last week than the last 6 months combined! Let’s double down on this ban and see if we can sell out our inventory in 2 days!”
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But then go out of business right after? Not sure that makes sense.
 
Reptile said:
I think the Glock frames will have to be registered. Put an upper on in and eFA10.
They will still be legal to own. FFL's wont be able to transfer them anymore after 8/1.

What I want to know is if a LTC holder can do a private FTF sale of a new Glock after 8/1.

If so, anybody can buy a new Glock in the future - if you can afford what the seller is asking.

Can a LTC holder sell a AR15 privately FTF after 8/1?
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This says yes but 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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not new guy said:
How long will it for take for licensing officers to start asking questions about your collection and whether it’s in compliance?
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Can’t really foresee that happening with the majority of COP. The outliers will be located in rabidly anti-gun towns/city’s like Lowell and Brookline. The worst part of this bill is its overall chilling effect on gun ownership in MA. COP were already using Sec 12 and involuntary commitment to determine suitability. Only difference is that it’s now codified into law.
 
sig shooter said:
Can’t really foresee that happening with the majority of COP. The outliers will be located in rabidly anti-gun towns/city’s like Lowell and Brookline. The worst part of this bill is its overall chilling effect on gun ownership in MA. COP were already using Sec 12 and involuntary commitment to determine suitability. Only difference is that it’s now codified into law.
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The same COP whose President endorses this?

But yeah, it’s certainly not the worst part of the bill. Lots of competition for that title.
 
doolz said:
This is not entirely accurate.

One can petition for a harrasment prevention order. One can also petiton for a restraining order.

If the courts find enough probable cause to issue said order, then the order gets funneled to the local PD who are required to issue the order in-hand or via a bona fide proxy (immediate family member).

Again, this is all on the courts and not on the PD. The PD can very much say "we're not going to confiscate potentially thousands of firearms on matters dealt with through the courts."

Where the hell are they going to store these firearms anyway???? And, on top of that, any time anything is seized it has to be documented and logged in. As far as I know, there aren't enough patrolmen/detectives to handle this nonsense in the first place.

But I circle back to -> this is a court issue. Not a PD issue.
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My post was entirely accurate. You just added a little more detail on the process.

The fact remains that harassment orders are a lot easier to get.

And what freaking state do you live in where you think police won’t happily enforce the law for said order? Not enough room for them? You do realize that they can just hand them over to a bonded warehouse and sometimes get kickbacks for doing so… right?

Let me guess, you’re LE and have rose colored glasses because of the special treatment and favors you receive.
 
Reptile said:
I think the Glock frames will have to be registered. Put an upper on in and eFA10.
They will still be legal to own. FFL's wont be able to transfer them anymore after 8/1.

What I want to know is if a LTC holder can do a private FTF sale of a new Glock after 8/1.

If so, anybody can buy a new Glock in the future - if you can afford what the seller is asking.

Can a LTC holder sell a AR15 privately FTF after 8/1?
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But doesn't the August 1st deadline pertain to the grandfathering of assault-style weapons (ASWs)? If I'm not mistaken, once the bill is signed, we should have 90 days before it takes effect. During this 90-day period, the definition of a firearm remains unchanged, so shouldn't it still be possible to transfer a Glock or pistol frame?
 
I wonder what the statistics are on good guys who died when their mag ran dry after 10 rounds. Yes, I know we should carry a backup mag. Yes, I know that most threats can reasonably be dealt with using less than 10 well placed shots.

But all that said, I wonder how long it will take for a good guy with a previously legal 15rd G19 preban to die because he was relegated to running a 10rd to stay legal.

Just thinking about it makes me angry.
 
scott-o said:
I'm sure you'll get another page on your renewal to update their db.
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The application requires you to submit a photo of all of your guns and miscellaneous tactical stuff arranged on a table like it’s a social media post about a police bust, It gets graded for style and arrangement points. You also have to submit a second photo with all of your ammunition laid out. Everything has to be out of the box and headstamps visible.
 
Atlantis said:
I wonder what the statistics are on good guys who died when their mag ran dry after 10 rounds. Yes, I know we should carry a backup mag. Yes, I know that most threats can reasonably be dealt with using less than 10 well placed shots.

But all that said, I wonder how long it will take for a good guy with a previously legal 15rd G19 preban to die because he was relegated to running a 10rd to stay legal.

Just thinking about it makes me angry.
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We wonder. But they don’t. They will never care. And those in the media who put their narrative out to their voter base will never talk about it either.
 
PappyM3 said:
My post was entirely accurate. You just added a little more detail on the process.

The fact remains that harassment orders are a lot easier to get.

And what freaking state do you live in where you think police won’t happily enforce the law for said order? Not enough room for them? You do realize that they can just hand them over to a bonded warehouse and sometimes get kickbacks for doing so… right?

Let me guess, you’re LE and have rose colored glasses because of the special treatment and favors you receive.
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Wasn't intending to get into a pissing match but here we are...

You say that harassment orders are a lot easier to get. There is a huge difference between petitioning for and obtaining. Anyone can petition for anything. I'll guess you understand the entire process on how this works so you'd know that the first thing that you get when you petition is a date to appear...

At that point, you then go face-to-face with the accuser before a magistrate or judge. The magistrate or judge then hears all the facts at hand and then makes a determination (usually never on that same day unless an extreme circumstance).

If, for whatever reasons there may be, the court sees that it is necessary to issue a harassment or restraining order, then the order is signed off and forwarded to the local department for them to serve in hand.

As of now, if a harassment or restraining order is granted, the LTC is seized and suspended pending further investigation and any firearms are also seized.... this process is not new.

I am not LE but I have plenty of friends and family as I'm sure you do who are. I'm just another guy who works a lot and gets paid a lot less for what I do... If you feel so strongly about the special treatment and favors they receive, go stand in front of the state house and voice your opinion. Let me know what time and I'll meet you there.

Edit: Here's the law as it stands now... Under the section "A prohibited person shall be a person who...," reference section (vi)... MGL Chapter 131

"(vi) is currently subject to: (A) an order for suspension or surrender issued pursuant to sections 3B or 3C of chapter 209A or a similar order issued by another jurisdiction; (B) a permanent or temporary protection order issued pursuant to said chapter 209A or a similar order issued by another jurisdiction, including any order described in 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(8); (C) a permanent or temporary harassment prevention order issued pursuant to chapter 258E or a similar order issued by another jurisdiction; or (D) an extreme risk protection order issued pursuant to sections 131R to 131X, inclusive, or a similar order issued by another jurisdiction;"

This language in this new bill is nothing new it's just meant to scare people into thinking something is happening.
 
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And how is it supposed to to registered. They haven’t even rolled out the new registration tool. FA10s didn’t register ownership they recorded transfers/transactions. And if the recording of a transfer/transaction is good enough then why isn’t the 4473 good enough
 
Reptile said:
My friend has a Glock frame that was never eFA10'd.

Glocks are on the roster and legal until 8/1.

Should I tell my friend to eFA10 that frame before it's too late?

After 8/1 it can't be registered, right?
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A glock doesn't matter its not an AW. The only thing that changes is the ability to surf one through a dealer.
 
not new guy said:
It’s sort of shocking that they went as far they did with this bill/law. They went completely overboard. FR. Yeah, it sucks now, but we might be happy that they did when the dust settles.
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I'm actually surprised that they didn't go full "California blockade. " Theres a few things that a large bus can be driven through here. It's looser than octomoms crotch probably is. Hot dogs are gonna sail down hallways on parts of this trash. 🤣 The great thing is most of that stuff won't affect the court cases, either.
 
drgrant said:
A glock doesn't matter its not an AW. The only thing that changes is the ability to surf one through a dealer.
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In order for an individual to sell a new Glock - doesn't the Glock have to be eFA10'd in the portal first?

Not only that, all guns will need to be registered, anyway.
 
EJFudd said:
Maura resist this opportunity of her political lifetime to royally screw us over once and for all time??? :oops: No way José!!! [rofl]

She is just sitting back right now reading, laughing and watching our suffering as we try in vain to figure out how to stay out of prison while still keeping our guns.

No, Maura is planning a bill signing celebration like no other in MA history... the Mother of All Bill Signing Celebrations. Count on it! [thumbsup]
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Honestly I think she's wanting for Kamala to get the nomination so she can suck up for a cabinet position like she tried to back in 2016
 
doolz said:
Wasn't intending to get into a pissing match but here we are...

You say that harassment orders are a lot easier to get. There is a huge difference between petitioning for and obtaining. Anyone can petition for anything. I'll guess you understand the entire process on how this works so you'd know that the first thing that you get when you petition is a date to appear...

At that point, you then go face-to-face with the accuser before a magistrate or judge. The magistrate or judge then hears all the facts at hand and then makes a determination (usually never on that same day unless an extreme circumstance).

If, for whatever reasons there may be, the court sees that it is necessary to issue a harassment or restraining order, then the order is signed off and forwarded to the local department for them to serve in hand.

As of now, if a harassment or restraining order is granted, the LTC is seized and suspended pending further investigation and any firearms are also seized.... this process is not new.

I am not LE but I have plenty of friends and family as I'm sure you do who are. I'm just another guy who works a lot and gets paid a lot less for what I do... If you feel so strongly about the special treatment and favors they receive, go stand in front of the state house and voice your opinion. Let me know what time and I'll meet you there.

Edit: Here's the law as it stands now... Under the section "A prohibited person shall be a person who...," reference section (vi)... MGL Chapter 131

"(vi) is currently subject to: (A) an order for suspension or surrender issued pursuant to sections 3B or 3C of chapter 209A or a similar order issued by another jurisdiction; (B) a permanent or temporary protection order issued pursuant to said chapter 209A or a similar order issued by another jurisdiction, including any order described in 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(8); (C) a permanent or temporary harassment prevention order issued pursuant to chapter 258E or a similar order issued by another jurisdiction; or (D) an extreme risk protection order issued pursuant to sections 131R to 131X, inclusive, or a similar order issued by another jurisdiction;"

This language in this new bill is nothing new it's just meant to scare people into thinking something is happening.
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1. Is it easier to have a harassment order granted than a restraining order? Yes or no.
1a. Do restraining orders get granted frequently without evidence during divorces?

2. I have stood in front of the statehouse before. It does nothing in this state.

3. I forgot they added harassment orders in one of the more recent changes. But this new bill is still different. Currently the license suspension does NOT entitle police to come seize your firearms. Many times they do, regardless of the law. … because many police in this state like to do that, despite what you claim. With this new bill the police are REQUIRED to execute a warrant and come seize your guns if you don’t turn them in within 24 hours.

Edit: missing word
 
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