Emergency Preamble to be signed Weds?

[pastera]

Let me clarify: what I’m saying needs to be filed is an action against the governor’s emergency preamble, I’m not talking about the actual merits of the case. There is no basis for the governor to declare this an emergency, especially when the legislature had the option to add an emergency clause to the bill but refused to do so

Read the Mass constitution, the language is so open she can state the reason was she hates every gun owner and wants them dead immediately.
And that passes muster.

We have ZERO path to victory on the preamble. ZERO, none, zilch

 

[MAD Geary]

It doesn't matter where in state court you file, they are all bound by Canjura.
And by my reading all of the roster shit and ASF fails on its face before that case law.

This. I don’t think people on here have read the ruling, let alone understand the value of the language in the ruling.

 

[center442]

It already happened.

I just discovered that. Damn. Maybe it will bring this whole abortion to a rapid end.

 

[hcwt]

Let me clarify: what I’m saying needs to be filed is an action against the governor’s emergency preamble, I’m not talking about the actual merits of the case. There is no basis for the governor to declare this an emergency, especially when the legislature had the option to add an emergency clause to the bill but refused to do so

The lack of a basis for her to make it emergency legislation has zero impact on her ability to do so, nor the fact that there's nothing that will stop her from doing so or undoing that action.

 

[pastera]

This. I don’t think people on here have read the ruling, let alone understand the value of the language in the ruling.

I've posted relevant language along with an annotated copy of the opinion.

You can lead a FUD to the answers but you can't pull the state's member out of thier mouth.

 

[Buck F]

There's a lot of gun owners who are absolutely clueless regarding this BS. I've talked to several of my gun owning friends and they're like "what new law????"

I spoke with a friend this morning, someone who's pretty conservative and helped me get my start w/ firearms in MA. "What new law?" Fortunately that was followed by "I'm right down the street from them, I'm going to sign the petition NOW"

 

[HARRYM]

Yup. That’s @GOAL always doing the wrong thing.
This should be taken Up in state court. The 1rst circuit doesn’t care about the constitution, especially the 2nd amendment. No chance in hell at winning federally. More money wasted goal. Thanks

?????

The disconnect makes my eyes bleed.

The MA Supreme Court once ruled that the 2A doesn't apply to MA residents.

Federal court you have to start at the lower courts first and appeal up to SCOTUS.

As we have discussed here many times the Left is well aware that this process takes years and they bank on that for keeping unconstitutional laws on the books.

Bruen was denied in the lower courts before the SCOTUS ruled in favor of the NY club.

 

[Reptile]

Will the Mill be open till Midnight tonight?

Are they still processing transactions after this afternoons emergency preamble?

 

[moonpup]

Pursuant to the Act dealers may only transfer firearms on the rosters - and there are zero long guns on the rosters.
EOPS doesn't get to declare something legal that the legislature has banned.

Funny enough... Glocks are still on the roster.

 

[Lxpony]

You could also buy privately sold glocks at any point in the future.

From @Reptile at $1500 a pop

 

[kalash]

From @Reptile at $1500 a pop

He finally lowered his prices??

 

[Mark from ?]

I know if this was posted as I don't have time to go through all the posts, I was told today that as of midnight tonight that all the gun stores in Mass. are going to close their doors until this straightened out. Just passing on what I was told.

If they were smart they would get together and do just that and show a united front saying they were all shut down immediately.

But I doubt that....history shows it will stay a mosh pit of confusion......

 

[Rockrivr1]

?????

The disconnect makes my eyes bleed.

The MA Supreme Court once ruled that the 2A doesn't apply to MA residents.

Federal court you have to start at the lower courts first and appeal up to SCOTUS.

As we have discussed here many times the Left is well aware that this process takes years and they bank on that for keeping unconstitutional laws on the books.

Bruen was denied in the lower courts before the SCOTUS ruled in favor of the NY club.

I'm not holding out hope, but the recent pro 2A decisions from the Supreme Court may hold sway over them. Actually If they don't side with gun owners it may help Fastrack to the SC.

 

[HARRYM]

There's a lot of gun owners who are absolutely clueless regarding this BS. I've talked to several of my gun owning friends and they're like "what new law????"

Well, clueless gun owners is one of the reasons we are in such a 2A mess across the country.

 

[Goliathan]

I was told today that as of midnight tonight that all the gun stores in Mass. are going to close their doors until this straightened out. Just passing on what I was told.

If they did, Maura would have moist panties by the morning. The pigs can get what they want from other sources if they want to, or at least the departments can.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Well, clueless gun owners is one of the reasons we are in such a 2A mess across the country.

Are we a mess?

Asking because we have more constitutional carry States in 2024 than we had in 2000.

 

[413guy]

I know if this was posted as I don't have time to go through all the posts, I was told today that as of midnight tonight that all the gun stores in Mass. are going to close their doors until this straightened out. Just passing on what I was told.

told by who? could you please elaborate. Not just the guy three lanes over at the turkey shoot on Saturday said...that is useless w/out citation.

We shouldn't be starting rumors, as hard as that is here on rumormillshooters.org

If you have a citation for that, now is an appropriate time to share and would be appreciated. Perhaps an actual ffl will chime in, but with the state eviscerating their livelihood enough already I cannot possibly fathom all FFL's shuttering in place and shutting down tomorrow until this gets straightened out. That could take years and people have lots of time, money and other things invested in their businesses. I doubt they are just going to close the doors and go on without a fight or game plan.

 

[pastera]

?????

The disconnect makes my eyes bleed.

The MA Supreme Court once ruled that the 2A doesn't apply to MA residents.

Federal court you have to start at the lower courts first and appeal up to SCOTUS.

As we have discussed here many times the Left is well aware that this process takes years and they bank on that for keeping unconstitutional laws on the books.

Bruen was denied in the lower courts before the SCOTUS ruled in favor of the NY club.

Have you been paying attention to what has been happening in Mass courts?
NH residents getting carry without a permit charges dropped?
The SJC not only applying Bruen but creating a clear and constitutional standard of review for arms cases.

Yes, this will take some time but the state knows that they are going to lose on most of the ban provisions.

 

[Rockrivr1]

told by who? could you please elaborate. Not just the guy three lanes over at the turkey shoot on Saturday said...that is useless w/out citation.

We shouldn't be starting rumors, as hard as that is here on rumormillshooters.org

If you have a citation for that, now is an appropriate time to share and would be appreciated. Perhaps an actual ffl will chime in, but with the state eviscerating their livelihood enough already I cannot possibly fathom all FFL's shuttering in place and shutting down tomorrow until this gets straightened out. That could take years and people have lots of time, money and other things invested in their businesses. I doubt they are just going to close the doors and go on without a fight or game plan.

I guess we'll find out shortly. If the EFA-10 system is gone tomorrow and nothing is in place to replace it, it'll be up to each FFL to decide what they will do next. Just 4473 and they walk out the door, or they don't sell at all without some kind of direction from the State. Which will never come.....

 

[HARRYM]

Are we a mess?

Assign because we have more constitutional carry States in 2024 than we had in 2000.

Again.....the Constitution ain't worth the paper its written on if we don't stop electing Communists. Harris wins, the House turns back Blue and the Blue holds the Senate they are going to stack the SCOTUS, Constitutional carry will go out the window. The fact that 2 Leftist wack jobs have a legit shot at winning in November tells you exactly how big the mess is.

 

[Rockrivr1]

Again.....the Constitution ain't worth the paper its written on if we don't stop electing Communists. Harris wins, the House turns back Blue and the Blue holds the Senate they are going to stack the SCOTUS, Constitutional carry will go out the window. The fact that 2 Leftist wack jobs have a legit shot at winning in November tells you exactly how big the mess is.

Things unfortunately are not going to change. A large group of younger Americans believe the Constitution is outdated and not fit for the world we live in today. That means as they get older they will push for change. I may not see it in my life time, but I see a Constitutional Convention in our future and the outcome may not be to our liking.

 

[not new guy]

Anybody else believe the EFA10 system will still be up and running tomorrow?

 

[bigbravehog]

Well, clueless gun owners is one of the reasons we are in such a 2A mess in MA across the country.

FIFY

 

[HARRYM]

Things unfortunately are not going to change. A large group of younger Americans believe the Constitution is outdated and not fit for the world we live in today. That means as they get older they will push for change. I may not see it in my life time, but I see a Constitutional Convention in our future and the outcome may not be to our liking.

I don't disagree. Those that believe the Constitution will save everything will be in for the shock of their lives someday. I have said this here many times over the years. I have has several young Leftists tell me that its already over, once you older folks die off we will change everything.

 

[APFSDS]

I guess we'll find out shortly. If the EFA-10 system is gone tomorrow and nothing is in place to replace it, it'll be up to each FFL to decide what they will do next. Just 4473 and they walk out the door, or they don't sell at all without some kind of direction from the State. Which will never come.....

This is from the FAQ sent out by someone in the state that was posted here:

"Licensed firearms dealers may continue to sell firearms contained on
the rosters.1 Upon formation of the new Firearms Control Advisory Board (FCAB), the Secretary
will consider any advice or guidance the board may offer and will approve any amendments to the
rosters as necessary."

So they are saying roster pistols and ONLY roster pistols can be sold by dealers until they get off their ass and form the silly board.

 

[HARRYM]

FIFY

It is across the country. Cruz may lose his Senate seat, look at GA, ME has flipped, NH has 2 Leftist Senators.....

 

[freddieMA]

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?????

The disconnect makes my eyes bleed.

The MA Supreme Court once ruled that the 2A doesn't apply to MA residents.

Federal court you have to start at the lower courts first and appeal up to SCOTUS.

As we have discussed here many times the Left is well aware that this process takes years and they bank on that for keeping unconstitutional laws on the books.

Bruen was denied in the lower courts before the SCOTUS ruled in favor of the NY club.

pastera has a notated version of the canjura switchblade decision from sjc you ought to read in the thread discussing the finding.

an almost textbook example of how it is supposed to work, from the highest state court ...

 

[AJK129]

Anybody else believe the EFA10 system will still be up and running tomorrow?

Does it matter?

 

[HARRYM]

Think about down the road when 30,40 or even 50 million illegals are given the right to vote and what they will vote for, America first it won't be.

 

[413guy]

I guess we'll find out shortly. If the EFA-10 system is gone tomorrow and nothing is in place to replace it, it'll be up to each FFL to decide what they will do next. Just 4473 and they walk out the door, or they don't sell at all without some kind of direction from the State. Which will never come.....

we're talking about people who last week slipped a provision into the budget bill amending their "perfect" bill to fix the issue they created in chapter 135 in their haste in regard to new training requirements which they suspended. You really think the efa-10 system/site will just vanish tomorrow. These people could forget to have someone do that for decades, it's state government we're talking about. Any the likelihood they remove anything up prior to launching their new system is slim to none. But I concede your point, we will find out shortly. 7 hours and 57 minutes from now to be exact.