Emergency Preamble to be signed Weds?

chris_1001 said:
Did you read the above?

The loophole has closed and there is seemingly no way to buy a new one from a dealer.
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Did you read the above?

CrackPot said:
I agree with you but the devil is in the details. There are a lot more requirements on a MA licensed dealer than the roster itself. Figuring out how to navigate ALL dealer requirements to sell such frames/receivers of on roster guns is not as easy as you think. Everyone's lord and savior who got us 3 less weeks of doing business, Toby, has admitted he has no clue on how to do it.

I can tell you that you need an 07 to turn a pistol/rifle into a frame/receiver. You need a MA licensed dealer other than the 07 to do the frame/receiver transfer. But there is a lot more to it than that and the exercise is left to the reader, their FFL and their respective lawyers to figure it out.
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Reptile said:
Does this mean that Pre October 21st 1998 Glocks just increased in value?

Methinks the demand is going to go through the roof for those Gen 2's by people who can't get a newer Glock by private sale.
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Except that the 16" barrel loop hole is big enough to drive a truck through.

I can see it now with the gun shop buying the barrel back for $150 and using it on the next sale.

It's actually easier than the old law since the complete gun can be handed to the buyer, just with a 16" barrel.
 
Dench said:
You're missing out on the G45
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I had to go look it up. And the fact that it's almost identical to the 19x is one of the reasons I stopped paying attention. Way to many models that are just too similar.

And for me the G45 doesn't fit a need. I don't have big hands, so I don't need the full size grip/frame. It just makes it harder for me to conceal anyway. If I wanted a mashup, I'd want a G19 slide with a subcompact G26 frame/grip.
 
mav said:
Nah, I can't park anywhere near another Jeep without getting ducked. I tried to recycle the ducks I got by ducking others, but I couldn't keep up.

My wife thought it was funny, so she bought a bag of ducks from Amazon to duck other Jeeps. It keeps her entertained so now I don't say shit about it.
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LuvDog said:
I had to go look it up. And the fact that it's almost identical to the 19x is one of the reasons I stopped paying attention. Way to many models that are just too similar.

And for me the G45 doesn't fit a need. I don't have big hands, so I don't need the full size grip/frame. It just makes it harder for me to conceal anyway. If I wanted a mashup, I'd want a G19 slide with a subcompact G26 frame/grip.
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Glocks product lineup is certainly a little silly with all these X's and shit they keep adding to guns. The G19X and G45 are pretty close, although I do prefer the front slide serrations over the absence of them, which I believe the 19X does not have.

Its definitely crowded now and pretty confusing. Comparing G45's to 47's, 17's, 19's and 19X's is a complete pain in the ass, some of them are super similar.
 
CrackPot said:
I agree with you but the devil is in the details. There are a lot more requirements on a MA licensed dealer than the roster itself. Figuring out how to navigate ALL dealer requirements to sell such frames/receivers of on roster guns is not as easy as you think. Everyone's lord and savior who got us 3 less weeks of doing business, Toby, has admitted he has no clue on how to do it.

I can tell you that you need an 07 to turn a pistol/rifle into a frame/receiver. You need a MA licensed dealer other than the 07 to do the frame/receiver transfer. But there is a lot more to it than that and the exercise is left to the reader, their FFL and their respective lawyers to figure it out.
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Didn't Toby release a video explaining how to do it?

I can't find it now. Someone posted it.

Also, why does everyone keep mentioning FRAME TRANSFERS? ... isn't a frame a firearm, so why transfer as a frame?

What am I missing?
 
Broc Tuah said:
Didn't Toby release a video explaining how to do it?

I can't find it now. Someone posted it.

Also, why does everyone keep mentioning FRAME TRANSFERS? ... isn't a frame a firearm, so why transfer as a frame?

What am I missing?
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The only way to transfer a frame is to do a frame transfer.

MGL Ch 140 Section 34 (h) tells you how to do it.
 
KAG Arms said:
Not unexpected.
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KAG Arms said:
The only way to transfer a frame is to do a frame transfer.

MGL Ch 140 Section 34 (h) tells you how to do it.
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General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 34

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Section 34. The officer or board having charge of the police in any such city may license persons to keep public lodging houses therein, and shall immediately revoke such license if the licensee violates any provision of sections thirty-five to thirty-eight, inclusive. The fee for such licenses will be established in a town by town meeting action and in a city by city council action, and in a town with no town meeting by town council action, by adoption of appropriate by-laws and ordinances to set such fees, and, subject to the state building code when applicable, it shall expire on the thirtieth day of April next after the granting of the same, but in no event shall any such fee be greater than fifty dollars. Every such license shall specify the street and number, if any, of the building where the business is to be carried on or give some other particular description thereof, and the license shall not protect a licensee who carries on his business in any other place.
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You can dismiss my posts with thinly veiled insults but that doesn't correct your citation.
 
Dench said:
Glocks product lineup is certainly a little silly with all these X's and shit they keep adding to guns. The G19X and G45 are pretty close, although I do prefer the front slide serrations over the absence of them, which I believe the 19X does not have.

Its definitely crowded now and pretty confusing. Comparing G45's to 47's, 17's, 19's and 19X's is a complete pain in the ass, some of them are super similar.
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The only one's that really different is their GR1, (revolver). Now if they'd just make it pre-cut for moon clips...

I'm looking forward to their GPCC, it's rumored to be released in time for Christmas.
 
Dench said:
Glocks product lineup is certainly a little silly with all these X's and shit they keep adding to guns. The G19X and G45 are pretty close, although I do prefer the front slide serrations over the absence of them, which I believe the 19X does not have.

Its definitely crowded now and pretty confusing. Comparing G45's to 47's, 17's, 19's and 19X's is a complete pain in the ass, some of them are super similar.
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Its more than stupid. Figure upgrade every 5-7 years or so. This time moving out of MA it was easy...as I got good$$ for all of them and replaced with new ones with new numbers and standard cap mags.

I always felt not complete without a full and medium 9's, and both big bore guns.

So last 4 guns bought.....
G47MOS supposed to be used but brand new for like 500 off of Gunprime.
G20 MOS - Bought at shop and traded in for
G21 Police Trade in got for cheap cheap....bang around tackle box and truck gun.
Instead of a G19 I gayed out and bought a Rock Island DY9 off Grabagun.......will run a shit load of ammo thru it and see if I'm an idiot. But at 200 bucks its a nice feeling gun that takes glock mags and sits in a glock holster. Seems made pretty well. The only thing i don't like is not a glock extractor. If its a dud, Ill throw it at a trade for a G19.
 
KAG Arms said:
The new loophole is in the new law. "The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right"
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If one reads the new Section 123 subsection (o) defines what firearms a dealer may transfer

1004 (o) No licensee under section 122 shall sell, rent, lease or otherwise transfer any firearm described in this subsection except to a business entity that is primarily a firearm wholesaler, and such transfer shall, by its terms, prohibit the purchaser from reselling such firearm to a firearm retailer or consumer in the commonwealth. This subsection shall apply to:
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(i) a firearm that has a frame, barrel, cylinder, slide or breechblock that is composed of:
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A frame is a firearm now but it doesn't have a barrel, cylinder, slide or breechblock - also if the gun has gone through testing, it's exempt from (i)

(ii) a firearm that is prone to accidental discharge,
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A frame can't discharge so fine here

1044 (iii) a firearm that is prone to: (A) firing more than once per pull of trigger; or (B) explosion during firing
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Frames can't fire

1046 (iv) a firearm that has a barrel less than 3 inches in length, unless the licensee discloses in writing, prior to the transaction, to the prospective buyer, lessee or transferee the limitations of the accuracy of the particular make and model of the subject firearm
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Frame has a barrel length of zero - disclose that it and you're good to go.



The question comes in on the FFL side of things - I'm assuming that the frame would need to be ordered as a frame from a manufacturer and that's why @KAG Arms mentioned an 007 being in the chain (to split gun into a slide and frame)
 
pastera said:
If one reads the new Section 123 subsection (o) defines what firearms a dealer may transfer



A frame is a firearm now but it doesn't have a barrel, cylinder, slide or breechblock - also if the gun has gone through testing, it's exempt from (i)


A frame can't discharge so fine here


Frames can't fire


Frame has a barrel length of zero - disclose that it and you're good to go.



The question comes in on the FFL side of things - I'm assuming that the frame would need to be ordered as a frame from a manufacturer and that's why @KAG Arms mentioned an 007 being in the chain (to split gun into a slide and frame)
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Or 2 07 which makes a double 07. I see an opportunity to be the first Brown James Bond here.
 
pastera said:
The question comes in on the FFL side of things - I'm assuming that the frame would need to be ordered as a frame from a manufacturer and that's why @KAG Arms mentioned an 007 being in the chain (to split gun into a slide and frame)
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So what is new in this equation? Prior to the new law a glock was separated into a frame only and sold by using 2 FFLs. This is why the Mill became the hive that it was: to have all these FFLs in close proximity. Is the 07 requirement the new thing that we got from this new law?

(i) a firearm that has a frame, barrel, cylinder, slide OR breechblock that is composed of:
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That sentence reads like a list of individual things. So a frame is a frame, and therefore the subsection shall apply?
 
VigilantesLiberi said:
So what is new in this equation? Prior to the new law a glock was separated into a frame only and sold by using 2 FFLs. This is why the Mill became the hive that it was: to have all these FFLs in close proximity. Is the 07 requirement the new thing that we got from this new law?


That sentence reads like a list of individual things. So a frame is a frame, and therefore the subsection shall apply?
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Everything applies but for guns on the approved roster, none of the tests apply.
A frame is a firearm per the law but not a handgun per 940 CMR 16.00
 
Broc Tuah said:
Didn't Toby release a video explaining how to do it?

I can't find it now. Someone posted it.

Also, why does everyone keep mentioning FRAME TRANSFERS? ... isn't a frame a firearm, so why transfer as a frame?

What am I missing?
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There is one foolish individual I am friends with that listens to all Toby's videos so we know what stupid things he is telling people. He has a loyal following of smooth brained individuals that think everything he says is truth likes Moses returning from the mountain.

He has been saying for weeks that glock frames are legal to transfer. He acquired a bunch for his customers who wanted them. He has not changed his tune, but within the last week he admitted he has NO IDEA how to actually effect the transfer legally. So no, Toby does not have a video telling anyone how to do it. In fact there is no way for him to do it as he is missing one of the critical elements to achieving the transfer, a MA licensed dealer NOT HIMSELF to do the frame transfer (based on him being the 07 purchasing the glocks and manufacturing them into frames).

I am not going to add any details on the how/why beyond what I have said already. It is doable. Very few people will figure out HOW to do it legally because it requires a holistic understanding of both federal law/regulation and the new state laws.
 
CrackPot said:
There is one foolish individual I am friends with that listens to all Toby's videos so we know what stupid things he is telling people. He has a loyal following of smooth brained individuals that think everything he says is truth likes Moses returning from the mountain.

He has been saying for weeks that glock frames are legal to transfer. He acquired a bunch for his customers who wanted them. He has not changed his tune, but within the last week he admitted he has NO IDEA how to actually effect the transfer legally. So no, Toby does not have a video telling anyone how to do it. In fact there is no way for him to do it as he is missing one of the critical elements to achieving the transfer, a MA licensed dealer NOT HIMSELF to do the frame transfer (based on him being the 07 purchasing the glocks and manufacturing them into frames).

I am not going to add any details on the how/why beyond what I have said already. It is doable. Very few people will figure out HOW to do it legally because it requires a holistic understanding of both federal law/regulation and the new state laws.
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The secret is out in this thread already. Toby can find his missing FFL.
 
VigilantesLiberi said:
The secret is out in this thread already. Toby can find his missing FFL.
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The 16" glock secret? Sure. That is possible. But the actual frame transfer version is not out. No one has correctly described how to do an actual frame transfer on a glock under the new law. There are a lot more requirements on a MA Dealer than being on the roster...
 

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