MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[CrackPot]

The 01's would be subject to that not the 07's from what ive read.

07 only ok for stuff owned on 8/1/24 or stuff we make to sell to cops or out of state. Still can’t bring stuff into the state.

 

[jkelly1229]

Wait i thought you guys just got glerks though,

 

[EJFudd]

Ok let the lawsuits begin.

Yep. I'm anxious to see which organization steps up first and takes the lead on fighting this turd.

 

[Cap'n Mike]

Yep. I'm anxious to see which organization steps up first and takes the lead on fighting this turd.

My money is on FPC, those guys are savages.

 

[Flint]

I'm hoping there's good communication and organization between them all.

 

[MAJoe]

I'm hoping there's good communication and organization between them all.

This. I don’t care who raises it, but it needs to be coordinated. The worst would be some rouge group bringing a bad case with a bad plaintiff.

 

[groundscrapers]

07 only ok for stuff owned on 8/1/24 or stuff we make to sell to cops or out of state. Still can’t bring stuff into the state.

I don't know how that aligns with camfour, savage and S&W but then again I don't think they care. Do you happen to know what section that was in?

 

[Dadstoys]

It wasn't because the police were exempted it's because they opposed this shit as unconstitutional until they got exempted then it was the best thing since sliced bread

THIS
All f*cking day.

 

[codename101]

Even if someone files we won't see this lifted for 3+ years probably more. For now we are stuck with the worst laws in the nation.

 

[DW357]

Huh?

 

[VTski4x4]

Huh? View attachment 898005

Ooooof. Bad take.

 

[vicorjh]

Huh?
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Return it to the dealer

 

[JJC]

I agree. This is a really bad take.

 

[MaroonedinMA]

Huh?
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I wish this was another nonsense take from the peanut gallery but he is well positioned to have a plausible understanding of the implications. We shall see

 

[VTski4x4]

I wish this was another nonsense take from the peanut gallery but he is well positioned to have a plausible understanding of the implications. We shall see

Sure seems like he is taking 2016 as actually being law, which we all know is a fallacy. So it's a terrible take IMO. If somehow that were true, our lawsuit has even more ammo.

What say you @CrackPot

 

[CrackPot]

I don't know how that aligns with camfour, savage and S&W but then again I don't think they care. Do you happen to know what section that was in?

S&W is fine as they will ship everything out of state. Distributors are dead. Dealers who sell online are dead.

 

[FalArAk]

"return it to the dealer that sold it to you", this could get interesting.

 

[CrackPot]

I wish this was another nonsense take from the peanut gallery but he is well positioned to have a plausible understanding of the implications. We shall see

The new law says pre 2016 are not copy or duplicates. It says anything lawfully owned before 8/1/24 is grandfathered.

Guida thinks Healey meant something so post 2016 are not lawfully owned. That is the basis for his statement. Anyone who uses him as legal counsel deserves what they get and should be shunned. He is a statist insider and clearly lacking any knowledge of what constitutes legal process for changing the law and separation of branches of government.

If your post 2016 was lawfully possessed it’s grandfathered. They will have to argue that Healey was binding and you did not lawfully possess and that means they lied in federal court…

 

[MaroonedinMA]

"return it to the dealer that sold it to you", this could get interesting.

Two lines at the Mill. One returning everything they bought and the other buying everything returned.

 

[MaroonedinMA]

The new law says pre 2016 are not copy or duplicates. It says anything lawfully owned before 8/1/24 is grandfathered.

Guida thinks Healey meant something so post 2016 are not lawfully owned. That is the basis for his statement. Anyone who uses him as legal counsel deserves what they get and should be shunned. He is a statist insider and clearly lacking any knowledge of what constitutes legal process for changing the law and separation of branches of government.

If your post 2016 was lawfully possessed it’s grandfathered. They will have to argue that Healey was binding and you did not lawfully possess and that means they lied in federal court…

I appreciate your perspective and can only say from your lips to G*d's ears.

 

[Reptile]

Huh?
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Does lawfully possessed apply to stripped lowers in state before July 16, 2016???

 

[FalArAk]

Where is the part about all past and present LEO's being exempt from any new gun laws because they will be the ones tasked to enforce their masters orders ?

 

[CrackPot]

"return it to the dealer that sold it to you", this could get interesting.

Nah. Here is a perspective. Healey says once an assault weapon always an assault weapon. Healey says the receiver if an assault weapon is an assault weapon.

By this logic all ar receivers are assault weapons. The atf stopped processing form 1s after Healey. They then evaluated her statements and the law and resumed processing form 1s. The atf CANNOT process a form 1 for a gun you cannot lawfully posses either in its current state or final state.

Also the state argued in federal court that her guidance harmed no one and essentially its protected speech. The court dismissed because in fact no one was harmed. The AG told DAs to take no action on her guidance.

So if now someone acts like it meant something, all hell breaks loose including the ATF issuing tax stamps for unlawful guns (which they would never do)

 

[GOAL]

The Senate has accepted the report 35-5. Next stop is the governor's desk.

Roll call results here.

 

[FalArAk]

Nah. Here is a perspective. Healey says once an assault weapon always an assault weapon. Healey says the receiver if an assault weapon is an assault weapon.

By this logic all ar receivers are assault weapons. The atf stopped processing form 1s after Healey. They then evaluated her statements and the law and resumed processing form 1s. The atf CANNOT process a form 1 for a gun you cannot lawfully posses either in its current state or final state.

Also the state argued in federal court that her guidance harmed no one and essentially its protected speech. The court dismissed because in fact no one was harmed. The AG told DAs to take no action on her guidance.

So if now someone acts like it meant something, all hell breaks loose including the ATF issuing tax stamps for unlawful guns (which they would never do)

Thanks for your time explaining all this.

Time is money and I appreciate it

 

[Woodsloafer]

The Senate has accepted the report 35-5. Next stop is the governor's desk.

Roll call results here.

Couldn't have done it any quicker given that it was just released yesterday, governor will probably sign it tomorrow.

 

[CrackPot]

Nah. Here is a perspective. Healey says once an assault weapon always an assault weapon. Healey says the receiver if an assault weapon is an assault weapon.

By this logic all ar receivers are assault weapons. The atf stopped processing form 1s after Healey. They then evaluated her statements and the law and resumed processing form 1s. The atf CANNOT process a form 1 for a gun you cannot lawfully posses either in its current state or final state.

Also the state argued in federal court that her guidance harmed no one and essentially its protected speech. The court dismissed because in fact no one was harmed. The AG told DAs to take no action on her guidance.

So if now someone acts like it meant something, all hell breaks loose including the ATF issuing tax stamps for unlawful guns (which they would never do)

And on a related note we have emails from the FRB confirming that the sale of AR lowers is in fact 100% legal post Healey.

 

[El_Guapo77]

Good luck with the registration compliance they already know what we have and doxxed us all once to prove it

 

[Spartan65]

Make sure the compliance is just like that bull shit they tried in Illinois.

 

[CrackPot]

Good luck with the registration compliance they already know what we have and doxxed us all once to prove it

Registration requires a new IT system. The State has a year to develop it. Then everyone has another year to register.

What is in the existing system is irrelevant. It’s not a registry.