Massachusetts Bill HD.4420 "An act to modernize gun Laws"

Personally, I think we should all start driving 5mph under the speed limit.

No, actually. Know what? Let's kick it up a notch: SIX mph under the speed limit!

No, seriously, yes to keeping up the pressure. This is very good for us, I think, if we're looking to defeat this. This, I think, is Mariano calling Day into his office and telling him his bill sucks, and he'll get one more crack at it but better not screw it up again. I think what we'll see in the fall will be a very different bill.
I hope Mariano and his minions bit off more than they can chew this time. Instead of hitting us with the death of a thousand cuts and bleeding us a little a time, they went for the kill shot. All at once.

Gotta keep the pressure up....
 
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Honorable Members –
Thank you for your attendance at last week’s leadership briefings and continued conversations regarding the House’s gun violence legislation. Many of your questions were centered around the challenging new legal landscape following the Bruen decision. I am thankful for the productive feedback that we received, as well as for the legislators and members of the public who participated in the 11 listening sessions around the Commonwealth. I would also like to offer my sincere gratitude to Chairman Michael Day for thoroughly engaging the public and putting forward such a thoughtful bill for our consideration.

As you have heard me say many times, the Bruen decision fundamentally changed how courts review state gun laws and immediately jeopardized aspects of the laws that have made our Commonwealth a national leader in reducing gun violence. While the House’s commitment to pursuing a comprehensive update remains steadfast, a new legal landscape will be the greatest threat to those efforts. That is why the House believes that we must thoroughly evaluate all of the proposals made in HD4420 over the Summer, and that House Members must have the chance to continue to speak with their constituents and provide feedback. House leadership will continue to work on the bill until it is ready for debate this Fall.

The House believes that the Joint Committee on the Judiciary is uniquely equipped to navigate the legal challenges brought on by SCOTUS decisions, just as it did during our initial response to Bruen and the overturning of Roe. We remain disappointed that the Senate delayed our intended review of this gun violence legislation by insisting on its referral to the Public Safety Committee, despite the fact that just last year, the Senate insisted that a different late-filed bill proposing changes to our gun laws be referred to Judiciary instead of Public Safety. Regardless, you have my word that we will spend the ensuing weeks working with you to address concerns and questions you and your constituents may have about the proposed legislation.

As the House continues its efforts over August, we will work with the Membership, as well as with constituents, advocates and legal experts to ensure that our proposal will make Massachusetts safer, while also standing the test of time.

Sincerely –
Ron Mariano
House Speaker
They sound worried...
 
You have too much faith in the courts
Especially in the courts around here that are vehemently anti-2A. It would take this thing years to get to SCOTUS, and by then the damage would’ve already been done. Not to mention there’s no guarantee that the composition of the court would remain the same, considering that it’s almost a guarantee that we’re going to get another Dem president and Alito and Thomas are knocking on death’s door.
 
Especially in the courts around here that are vehemently anti-2A. It would take this thing years to get to SCOTUS, and by then the damage would’ve already been done. Not to mention there’s no guarantee that the composition of the court would remain the same, considering that it’s almost a guarantee that we’re going to get another Dem president and Alito and Thomas are knocking on death’s door.
This is why we need to keep the relentless pressure on to try and prevent the bill from passing!
 
They sound worried...
I surely doubt that.
You have too much faith in the courts
More faith in this SCOTUS make up than I have ever had. Unfortunately it needs to get to that point to have a chance to be vehemently struck down and the full weight of a Thomas majority ruling.
 
I don't know the whole thing was anti-climactic.

Feels like a ruined orgasm.

Like when you stop pounding because you don't want to have an orgasm right away.
But then you have a mini-orgasm that is no good.

But, to finish properly you have to recover and bust the rest out but you are drooping.

No we have to wait till the fall.

I'm going to have one hell of a case of Blue Balls.
Jesus f***ing christ dude 🤣
 
I don’t need your help lowering my property value, lol
You mean you don't want a hoarder with an RV, boat, and all kinds of crap on the unmowed front lawn with Christmas lights up year round.

I was going to sell the RV and boat before we became neighbors, anyway.
 
Yup, it needs to die now before it's implemented. Not in maybe 5-10 years, if it even gets heard by SCOTUS which might also be not be on our side in the future. That's a roll of the dice I don't want to take.

A lot of you folks are forgetting there are intermediate courts.

I get it: 1st circuit sucks. But they do understand judicial review, and as time passes Bruen becomes more binding. Then there are appellate levels that won't side with 1st circuit. It might not even have to get to SCOTUS if enough appeals go the same way nationwide and MA decides to slink away.
 
They sound worried...
They dipped their toes in the water to feel out the opposition. They'll use the time to tighten up the bill and go full throttle 2nd time around. They won't give up on this and neither should we. I bet they think after the initial push and delay we'll all move on and forget about it assuming it's dead. This isn't over yet, just my 2cents.
 
Of course they know. And of course they're not going door to door. And of course the same thing will happen here.

Those gun owners await the golden cascade of SCOTUS decisions that should come down over the next several years, after which those ARs will emerge in shining glory to once again bust caps at a range.

Either that, or they're still blasting away at their local ranges and the cops don't GAF. That, too, is likely to happen here.
100%. What concerns me is the ranges. Will they demand compliance, some might especially class A ones. Screw'em too if so.
 
I read one of the posts that said the state might know that there are AW's out there but they don't know who has them. This was said about NY/CT but the implication is MA also is the same.

I was just checking some FA10's, not saying whose ;) and looked at an FA10 for a Stag #1, .223, shows model and "large capacity" with the buyers address. Since that is a banned scary gun and they have the manufacturer, model and address don't they have all they need to ask "do you have it or was it in the boating accident also?"

Since we have had defacto registration for years unless you can show you no longer have it what is to stop them from saying "turn them in or prove you don't have them anymore"
 
Maybe I will have time to get in touch with my state senator now. I requested a meeting about HD.4420 several weeks ago and...crickets. My state rep actually said she thought the bill would be delayed, "potentially a year or two," so this confirms what she was saying was right (at least for now).
 
this whole thing could be tactical. Toss out a controversial bill and get everyone worked up, then delay it it and let the opposition settle down. Then later quietly bring it to the floor.
People tend not to get re-energized the second time around, and a scheduling change gets less notice than a new bill.

Do not let it go. Stay on target.
 
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