zork51
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Maybe they will hold an emergency meeting on a Saturday night at midnight in Spencer, Mass. Aka Scott Harshbarger
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Massachusetts Bill HD.4420 "An act to modernize gun Laws"
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alan226
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You are 100% right. They'll put in "ghost guns" and a few minor tweaks that will probably withstand judicial review and call it a day. Then they will strut around and say "see, we did something about guns".
inerlogic
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*bookmarked
You're all welcome. I drove to work at 10mph under the speed limit yesterday and now they canceled it.
ridleyman
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This is nutcase Linsky on steroids times 1,000. Absolutely mind-blowing.
He's not just a nutcase, he's the epitome of a power grabbing bigot, who is trying to force himself on innocents. He is the enemy of the people.
ridleyman
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Btw, I sent an email to Michelle Ciccolo, my Rep, who would be quite happy disarming us unwashed peasants. I, very respectfully, tried to reason with her about the constitutionality and fairness of the proposed law, and the expense to the state fighting it in court, likely to lose in the end.
HorizontalHunter
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Imagine the response if you drove 20 under.
Not all heroes wear capes.
barnabus
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Massachusetts House Speaker Mariano Delays Anti-Civil Rights Bill
Blames the U.S. Supreme Court for not Being Able to Oppress Citizens
Blames the U.S. Supreme Court for not Being Able to Oppress Citizens
On Monday, July 24, 2023 Massachusetts House Speaker Ron Mariano issued a statement to the members of the Massachusetts House of Representatives. In the release, he announced a delay on any action regarding HD.4420. The bill is referred to as the “Lawful Citizens Imprisonment Act” by the Second Amendment Community.
HD.4420 represents, perhaps, the most egregious anti-civil rights legislation filed by a high-ranking legislative official in this century. Mariano had previously set an aggressive deadline for passing the oppressive act by July 31, 2023. A tremendous goal since the bill was only filed on June 26, 2023.
“It is painfully clear that, whoever actually drafted the bill, had no idea the firestorm of opposition it would set off, said Jim Wallace, Executive Director of Gun Owners’ Action League (GOAL). “It was painfully obvious to anyone who paid attention that the, so-called, “listening tour” was a sham from the beginning. Even the opposition to the Second Amendment during the tour continually said that lawful gun owners were not the problem. Chairman Day echoed that sentiment many times, but his legislation reflected just the opposite.”
As GOAL has stated several times since this bill was filed, the Speaker and Chairman Day seem to be channeling Governor Wallace of Alabama after Brown v. Board of Education just 50 years after that infamous speech.
GOAL will continue to work with its members to battle any further oppression of our Second Amendment community. It seems that a government willfully neglectful in punishing criminals, will find another group to persecute to cover up their true intensions.
Massachusetts House Speaker Mariano July 24, 2023“As you have heard me say many times, the Bruen decision fundamentally changed how courts review state gun laws and immediately jeopardized aspects of the laws that have made our Commonwealth a national leader in reducing gun violence. While the House’s commitment to pursuing a comprehensive update remains steadfast, a new legal landscape will be the greatest threat to those efforts.”
Governor George Wallace (Alabama) June 11, 1963“The unwelcomed, unwanted, unwarranted and force-induced intrusion upon the campus of the University of Alabama today of the might of the Central Government offers frightful example of the oppression of the rights, privileges and sovereignty of this State by officers of the Federal Government.”
GOAL - Mariano Statement
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I feel like another bill should be suggested by us to these people.. If we could all come up with some common ground ideas without restrictions on our rights.
First thing would be to make sure these criminals are held accountable for any illegal gun possession.
I see many reports of repeat offenders/ "prohibited people" commonly committing these gun crimes that should have been serving time.
Min sentences of 5 years for 1st offense for criminal possession of a firearm without a ltc
The serious drug dealers should get a min 5 year sentence. No I'm not talking about some small time kid selling bud.( cocaine, heroin, Fentanyl etc...)
Ghost guns are not the issue due to the average person cannot get these homemade firearms and 3d printed firearms to even function properly.
The real issue is stolen guns, and guns trafficking from other states criminals.
Any gun trafficking conviction should have a lifetime sentence, especially because the person selling them knows the criminals wouldn't use for any other purpose than crime / murder
The serialized requirements part of bill HD.4420 wouldn't do a thing to any criminal they would immediately remove or do some mutilation of the all serials all together.
The restrictions on legal carriers of firearms should be never thought of again.
The criminals don't follow any laws so restrictions on my ability to defend myself only feeds the criminals mindset of no possible resistance which leads to more crime riddled city's.
I would like massachusetts to consider being a stand your ground state.
Because some people who do see others lives in danger are afraid to do anything attempting to pull a gun out against a criminal due to the legal repercussions that person the "hero" would have.
The approval of firearms we can own needs to be put to bed because what we want shouldn't need approval by the state to tell us there opinion of which guns are safe. A 10lb trigger actually reduces accuracy for many people, making the gun unsafe to use.
What does banning a scary looking ar15 style rifle actually do? The issue is the criminals not what gun they used.
When in massachusetts has an ar15 style rifle been used in crimes? Most gun crime involves a hand gun.
Also limited capacity magazines do not prevent crime. Most criminals caught with a firearm also have a "high capacity" standard magazine they don't follow these laws that are an unnecessary a burden / limitation to us law abiding citizens.
Let's face it our city's, and streets are flooding with criminals, violence, drugs , human trafficking, homeless, and mental illnesses. We need more ways to help put a stop to this not less.
We need the judicial system to hold these criminals accountable.
We need more mental health support.
We need safety and protection of our homes inside and outside the home.
The stranger's safety for those around us matters too anywhere we go!
Just some thoughts off the top of my head. But I do believe that maybe if they can realize they can actually "do something" with us behind the bill they would be better off.
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inerlogic
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in the interview he mentions it being illegal to buy a Glock, i messaged him on FB and corrected him on that, he thanked me for the info.
Mesatchornug
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You brought this up, and it was rebutted by a (former) CT resident who explained they have a system that's functionally identical to our FA-10.
ridleyman
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I would agree to that for felons or during the commission of a crime. Otherwise, if it's an otherwise law abiding citizen but just didn't have the gov't papers, I'd give them a ticket for a $50 fine and instructions on how to get an ltc. I can think of someone borrowing a gun to hunt or target shoot, and there being a misunderstanding about legality and such.
True and there is alot of innocent folks with them lifetime fids
inerlogic
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Why would you increase the penalty for not having the King's permission?
Commonsesnse gun laws:
All HS graduates will have completed a session on firearms safety, to reduce their danger around firearms and to ensure the viability of the militia.
Use of any weapon in a crime is an aggravating factor that increases associated penalties.
Done.
Commonsesnse gun laws:
All HS graduates will have completed a session on firearms safety, to reduce their danger around firearms and to ensure the viability of the militia.
Use of any weapon in a crime is an aggravating factor that increases associated penalties.
Done.
I'm not letting up.
Call every day!
Getting a couple of these for the neighborhood.
Call every day!
Getting a couple of these for the neighborhood.
common use test should eliminate the roster and large capacity. they've gone way past the end, and bruen backs them up a couple of steps.
massachusetts and all other anti-gun states have to start focusing on violent crime, instead of creating more criminals among the law abiding by statute.
this bill is brain dead, without regard for civil rights. whatever you are willing to do with 2a rights, you should be willing to do with voting rights.
and if that doesn't feel right to you, you're doing something wrong in a constitutional republic.
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and eddie eagle should be in elementary schools. one of the reasons many of us don't see an issue is that we've had safety and responsible ownership drilled into us from an early age.
i've joked with my liberal friends that we do not currently require you to own a weapon as a member of the militia, but perhaps that should change. ;-)
71montess
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And the outcome isn't guaranteed
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A Harvard Law professor and a San Francisco State University political scientist wrote a letter that urges President Joe Biden to ignore the Supreme Court if it rules against him on issues such as affirmative action.
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A Harvard Law professor and a San Francisco State University political scientist wrote a letter that urges President Joe Biden to ignore the Supreme Court if it rules against him on issues such as affirmative action.
Liberals =HEMORRHOIDS.
People who commit crimes should pay their debt to society and then have their rights restored.
And drugs shouldn't be illegal.
I mean, seriously? You would throw a 17 year old selling dime bags in jail for 5 years? These kinds of authoritarian policies benefit nobody.
pastera
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Married to a Portuguese immigrant and can confirm this statement to be accurate
What did he actually say in the interview and how did that come up?
What did YOU actually say to him to clear that up?
When people say Glocks are legal to own but a gun shop can't sell you one - most lay people still think ill of Glocks.
Whutmeworry
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That pesky "legal landscape" of respecting the right of the people to keep and bear arms...
HARRYM
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I'll buy into the sleeping giant thing when GOAL membership rises to over 100,000. Until then I have long been a member of the understanding the human attention span club.
