Massachusetts Bill HD.4420 "An act to modernize gun Laws"

Reptile said:
What did he actually say in the interview and how did that come up?
What did YOU actually say to him to clear that up?
When people say Glocks are legal to own but a gun shop can't sell you one - most lay people still think ill of Glocks.
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i don't remember exactly, he may have been talking about the mill at that point.
what i said was that it isn't illegal to BUY a Glock, but that due to he AG's consumer safety regulations, dealers can't sell new Glocks to the unwashed masses, and that buying a frame and building isn't a "loophole" or a way to get an "illegal firearm" the frames still have to have a 4473 background check and when completed an eFA10 still has to be done.... and that my options are to carry a 30+ year old G19 that was used and abused by a cop, or spend $700 piecing together a new Glock that should cost me $450

and that there are something like 7 automatic safeties in the things that every police force and military in the rest of the world think are perfectly acceptable, including state, local, and federal police in the US.... but that isn't good enough for the AG
 
Nico9283 said:
Not to rustle your feathers, but your prediction didn’t age too well with the MCOPA statement that was released. Pleased to see you were dead wrong about PC’s being willing to push back against this.
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They may speak out about it but will defer to keeping their pension in place once signed into law
 
whatluck said:
People who commit crimes should pay their debt to society and then have their rights restored.

And drugs shouldn't be illegal.

I mean, seriously? You would throw a 17 year old selling dime bags in jail for 5 years? These kinds of authoritarian policies benefit nobody.
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When most people talk about drug dealers, they are not talking about a kids selling some weed.
 
Horatio_Alger_Jr said:
When most people talk about drug dealers, they are not talking about a kids selling some weed.
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Right. Because most people don't know what a drug dealer looks like.

Dealers are generally the lowest individuals on the pyramid. They're often kids, for a lot of reasons, and they're often not in possession of all that much material.

When we make broad statements like "lock up all the drug dealers [...]" we demonstrate how little we understand about the topic and the way it's affected by The System. One might compare it to requests to ban "30 magazine clips."
 
Mesatchornug said:
Right. Because most people don't know what a drug dealer looks like.

Dealers are generally the lowest individuals on the pyramid. They're often kids, for a lot of reasons, and they're often not in possession of all that much material.

When we make broad statements like "lock up all the drug dealers [...]" we demonstrate how little we understand about the topic and the way it's affected by The System. One might compare it to requests to ban "30 magazine clips."
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Are we not referring to pharmacists? Whoops...
 
Yazz said:
I'm not letting up.
Call every day!
Getting a couple of these for the neighborhood.View attachment 778044
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Depending where in the state you live, this seems more likely to galvanize support for worse gun laws more than apply pressure against this and bills like it.

Advocacy against this B.S. requires knowing the audiences and tailoring the messaging accordingly.

I wish we could get a sign "4420 will cost millions, accomplish nothing but tick boxes for reelection campaigns by Reps who lie to you."
 
whatluck said:
People who commit crimes should pay their debt to society and then have their rights restored.

And drugs shouldn't be illegal.

I mean, seriously? You would throw a 17 year old selling dime bags in jail for 5 years? These kinds of authoritarian policies benefit nobody.
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The 70,000+ that died in a year from fentanyl might disagree. The majority of states have made marijuana legal in some form. Most don't even consider it a drug anymore.
My niece died from fentanyl.

A big no on legalizing all drugs....
 
SIGNES said:
Depending where in the state you live, this seems more likely to galvanize support for worse gun laws more than apply pressure against this and bills like it.

Advocacy against this B.S. requires knowing the audiences and tailoring the messaging accordingly.

I wish we could get a sign "4420 will cost millions, accomplish nothing but tick boxes for reelection campaigns by Reps who lie to you."
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I bet it’s stressful being the only adult in the room.
 
alan226 said:
The 70,000+ that died in a year from fentanyl might disagree. The majority of states have made marijuana legal in some form. Most don't even consider it a drug anymore.
My niece died from fentanyl.

A big no on legalizing all drugs....
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If recreational drugs were legal then addicts could get their fix filled with known type and quality drugs.
How many alcoholics die or are blinded from methanol poisoning today?
Not many since you can easily buy known quality ethanol.
 
MisterHappy said:
I know it's an important thread. Still, TL;DR

As for "taking action" I move that all persons that belong to a Club in Mass., make a motion that if this bill passes, any use of Club facilities by the local cops for training/qualification be ended.

How many PDs rely upon the local Clubs' good graces.

I think that I'll bring this up at the next monthly meeting.

Might make some impact.

If this was mentioned before, then I'm seconding the idea.
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I think it depends on the PD. Would you do this for PD's who are actively against the bill?
 
I think the right option is to thank those that are on the record as against the bill and drop a few bucks into their reelection campaign (email a copy of the receipt with your thanks)

As far as the antis pushing this crap, send them a receipt for a donation to their opponent (if there is one in this shitty state) and let them know that their support was directly responsible for you supporting their opponents.
 
Reptile said:
What did he actually say in the interview and how did that come up?

What did YOU actually say to him to clear that up?

When people say Glocks are legal to own but a gun shop can't sell you one - most lay people still think ill of Glocks.
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As they should. Glock triggers are garbage. [laugh]
 
pastera said:
If recreational drugs were legal then addicts could get their fix filled with known type and quality drugs.
How many alcoholics die or are blinded from methanol poisoning today?
Not many since you can easily buy known quality ethanol.
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And in states like NY and California, the illegal pot shops are flourishing because they undercut the legal ones in price....
 
pastera said:
If recreational drugs were legal then addicts could get their fix filled with known type and quality drugs.
How many alcoholics die or are blinded from methanol poisoning today?
Not many since you can easily buy known quality ethanol.
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This

And - if we're spending the Drug War money anyways, let's put it all into mental health programs. Every penny. I'd even wait a decade before I asked if it's appropriate to be drawing that tax money if they can demonstrate that it's really all going to treatment efforts.

alan226 said:
And in states like NY and California, the illegal pot shops are flourishing because they undercut the legal ones in price....
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What's that, the government can screw up a wet dream?

Yes, when we over-regulate the sale of a literal weed, other markets will sprout among the cracks and fill demand.

I'm genuinely sorry to hear what happened to your niece. And, continuing what we've been doing hasn't worked.

It's time to try something new, preferably something that conserves human liberty and personal responsibility.
 
Mesatchornug said:
Right. Because most people don't know what a drug dealer looks like.

Dealers are generally the lowest individuals on the pyramid. They're often kids, for a lot of reasons, and they're often not in possession of all that much material.

When we make broad statements like "lock up all the drug dealers [...]" we demonstrate how little we understand about the topic and the way it's affected by The System. One might compare it to requests to ban "30 magazine clips."
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The person that said drug dealers should get a minimum of 5 did not specify what they thought a drug dealer was.

The person that stated a 17 year old selling dimebags decided that was who OP was talking about.

Yes, there are different level of drugs and dealers. Weed is not the same as PcP, a dime bag is not the same as a kilo. We can not compare talking about drug dealers to 30 magazine clips. One is an action, one is an unanimated object.
 

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